Pakistan: Media Under Siege

And as far as this concept of "respect" for the religion of others is concerned - tell me where is the reciprocity?!

Why should the reverrred religious figures of other religions get any less respect in Saudi Arabia than the religious icons promoted from Saudi Arabia are expected to get in other parts of the world?

Yet, does that happen?

If so, explain to me.

If not, will the people who are bad-mouthing Taslima here show the same energy in pleading for that reciprocity?

#79 bjkumar: ok, let me change your zero to one: Taslima has every right to express her views, and all those threatening her with physical harm for this purpose should be treated as the common criminals that they are. And anyone calling for banning her books is a coward.

btw, the reason you wont find Pakistanis on the Taslima board is obvious - we are more concerned about our own problems. Or do you seriously think that, if asked, most Pakistanis would give something opposite to what I just said above??

anil/bjkumar: I have to sign off. Have a good evening.

#80 Anil

I do not remember but I think somebody (I forget who)accused me of trying to "smell like roses" and the term stayed with me. I am not creative like Taslima, of course!

Re: # 74

Tahmed Sahib:

I would say that all of Pakistan make the coming elections -A referendum on whether Pakistan can continued to be ruled by the Army?

This such a great moment for Pakistani parties to leave egos behind and ask Pakistani to vote for or against the Army rule.

One voice. Yes, there was single voice - in Pakistan; and one voice in India. That was in 1940s. Right things did happen.

Musharraff and Army may live to regret, in Pakistanis turn in into a referendum on the Army rule.

#85 Anil

Pakistani referenda have a strange habit of coming up with the exact results sought by those who arrange such referenda - and "legitimizing" those individuals.

Like the Mushy.

Re: # 86

BJ:

This can be a chance to show those "fixers", what can be the alternative.... true?

TAHmed, BJkumar:
All the pseudo liberals and pseudointellectual red flag the people on this forum for using foul language. Man before "Bari Bari Haank" look at your own "Gareban.

Ajeya b.wale #81:
Can you deal with me if I say your mother is a b.
Let see what legal action you can take except telling the same thing to me.
I think your father was also a b. and you are the most understanding person smart a. and a b.

bjkumar #67.
I have not read her. But if she has bad mouthed the prophet and there is no law in your constitution to deal with her send her to some country where legal system deal with these kind of people.
If law does not give remedy. You either make the law or take the law in your own hands.
Do you have alternative. Why there is punishment for traitor, agitator etc. Doesn't the people have as much right to agitate against 3rd or 4th grade writer who write porn to make money or bad mouth religious sensibilities to make money and get fame.

bjkumar#81:
I don't think in hindu religion there is something against prophetPBUH or Muslims as Islam is a much later religion than hinduism, unless the later addition to hinduism is also very sacred.
In Islam there is no bad mouthing of personalities as such. It is the actions which are told that they are right or wrong. As far as prophets before Islam all of them are revered. As far as idol worship. It is mentioned they they cannot benefit you.
Something are sacred to people. If there is a problem, lets discuss.
As far as secularism and religion mutually exclusive are not true.
One of the initial pioneers of scientific methods Averroes(Ibn-Rushd) was one of the greatest secularist and thinker whose books were taught in Europe for many hundred years. Still he was the Chief Justice in I think Cardova which involved religious knowledge of highest degree.
In the same vein you will find many non religious people who secularism ends by teasing other peoples sentiments.
Secularism as far as I understand is a way of thinking, where you don't invoke supernatural for everyday or any phenomenon.

zeemax writes "masadi,

BTW we're still waiting for that rocket ... made in USA, ... Is it still on the way? "

Like I have been saying all along, the US wants to strip its peon of the uniform, either in private by him stepping down which he has been reluctant (to say the least) to do or in public (by a hellfire with a mullah's prints on it aimed for his a$$). Negroponte came with the final warning, and Musharraf started hopping to, but is stopping short of giving up the uniform, not realizing that other than the "uniform" the Americans don't give a damn about the emergency and the prisioners and the media. If he doesnt go through with the final step you can bet hamid's gardner's salary, the hellfire from the Americans will find him....

Regarding Anil and tahmed thinking I'm an "agent"- just because they have been "stumped" by my valid arguments to which they can respond only with ad hominem for discrediting them- let me tell them that I am indeed an "agent", but not an agent for maintaining the status quo but an agent for change in the fulfilment of which purpose, I will not surrender to dimwits like you who have been thoroughly and completely exposed on chowk for being peons of the West whose side you both take even at the expense of stabbing the people of your countries in the back. Go climb a pole for I am here to stay and will expose your bs every opportunity I get...

tahmed wrote "masadi: dont blame hamidm - i red-flagged your posts."

We expect nothing different from immoral cowards

tahmed writes "every time there is a discussion on the serious crisis Pakistan is going through, he floods chowk with posts geared to make chowk posters (myself, quite often) critical of the musharraf government the issue"

You are not critical of Musharraf nor what he represents, you never were but became so because he has fallen out of favor with the Americans. I expose the roots of the problems we face which will throw up a thousand Musharrafs regardless of this one in the future if it is allowed to continue, and unlike you I have been consistent in my condemnation of dictatorship and in pointing to the reason for these current series of crisis in Pakistan, which you have copied and borrowed from my analysis to use in your own myopic view (deliberately to mask US involvment). You are the agent of the Americans but are doing, like a said, a "piss poor" job of defending their propaganda even though you sway in your point of view with whatever happens to be in vogue with the US elite, and they are a hypocritical, immoral, barbarous lot, much like yourself who is their peon...

bulleya writes "this will leave a vacuum.......if the americans are lucky, it will be filled by people like imran khan.....who are anti-usa foreign policy (like i am), but not militantly nor ideologically...."

Mr. Clueless you cannot seperate US foreign policy from the ideology of its elite. What you take as "ideology" of the US are mere master symbols for legitimation that veil and mask the real ideology behind the policies and that is a dirty, dark, inhumane ideology that only barbarians who consider the vast majority of humankind expendible can espouse. Imran is no authority on anything, on many issues he is as clueless as you are...

Re: # 92

Massaddi Mian:

Your arguments were dead when you showed that you fooled yourself in believing that Godel's theorem allows you "self-reference". Stop kidding yourself. Seriously use your smartness for something more beneficial.