Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’

I thought the problem has always been

Whose and which law.

krashid #194 the common ground is there for all Pakistanis. it is democracy and the rule of law. this is the common ground for citizens of all civilized countries, many far more diverse racially, ethnically, linguistically, culturally, and religiously than Pakistan (including our great next door democracy, India).

With nuclear weapons, Pakistan has a strategic defense from external attack. With the rule of law, Pakistan will have a strategic defense from internal attack from islamic extremists or others seeking to gain power through force.

People's army ??

The Allah's Mujahedeens!!

That is going to be a great progress for Pakistan!

TAhmed 32:
(Militaries have a vested interest in promoting conflict with neigbors).
Although I am not in favor of Military rule. And representative of people should take care of them. But considering the history of Pakistan or for that matter world, it is clear that if you are weak militarily, economically or otherwise that vaccum is filled by more powerful. I don't think Pakistan can survive without a strong defense.
It has been and is in the benefit of whole nation to unite. What common ground can be, we have to find yet.
Until that common ground is found and system is in place, under the present system, Nawaz Sharif will continue to call Army to get rid of Benazir and Vice versa.
Don't expect that a vaccum will be created by a weakened Army and Pakistan will stay.
I have no choice but to feed my tormentors, meaning Army.
Alternative would be People's Army, if you agree. No other choice.

majumdar #191: Your point is well made indeed. The Pakistan army has a job to do - restore its image in the eyes of the Pakistani people so they are assured that it is a national army, not a private army run by generals for their own interests.

krashid: the Pakistan army should be as strong as a duly elected government, after proper debate, thinks it needs to be. This matter should not be left to the generals, given the conflict of interest. Militaries have a vested interest in promoting conflict with neigbors - and the Pakistani generals have no doubt done that (as in Kargill, which was clearly done to sabotage peace summit between elected pms of India and Pakistan).

Rashid mian,

(That is why willingly or unwillingly we have to sustain a strong Army all along. )

But that "strong Army" job should be to protect the nation, not rule over it.

Regards

TAhmed I agree:
In my opinion no particular system is better.
It is the one view point and pragmatic leadership.
If you look at system in China it is Communist party which runs the system.
In India it is democratic setup.
While in Iran it is a mixture of democracy and theocracy.
For me it is futile to copy one system over another.
Basically it is the will of people.
We have not determined our path yet.
One thing is people continue to struggle for democracy. But also people continue to struggle for theocracy.
We need our system for the benefit of common man, in whatever way it comes. That should be the basic premise. Then we can talk how to achieve that.
But even before that we have to see the survival of Pakistan. That is why willingly or unwillingly we have to sustain a strong Army all along.

As an idolator I am only concerned about my own skin - I do not care what happens to the 5 time head bangers.

I am only concerned if Kiyani is going to ask Al Qaeda to threaten hindu idolators to accept Islam or die or not??

I just heard they have threatened Shankaracharya to kill him if he does not accept the cult of blood thirsty Allah!

Re: # 184

Finally, idols are not worshipped - Gods are worshipped!!

Re: # 184

Arjun,

Idols do not speak - men do that. Same with Gods-
Gods do not speak - men do that.

Idols are icons....symbols like the WORDS you see on your computer- words do not speak, men do that!!

#182 sonofkashmir: you are as much a jahil as the mqm followers who were harping about musharraf.

krashid: As long as we agree on the principle of free and fair elections, and respect for the basic rights of all individuals and the rule of law, then we are in agreement on the basics. Our disagreement can then shift to something more productive- i.e. who we would consider the best candidate for a particular job. Given the rule of law, the damage done by someone who proves to be a bad choice is quite limited.

What we need to end is this elitist view that we need a Napoleon to run the country. Otherwise, we will simply replace one law-breaking general with another one.

#183 Posted by laddu on November 28, 2007 3:39:14 am

As an idolator, why don't you ask whatever idol you worship?

As an idolator I am only concerned about one thing-

Does he believe that idolators should be killed as per Islam???

General Kiyani is a welcome change . The best thing about him is that he is from Punjab. 9 years of DEHLVI rule has destroyed the country . this will benefit sindhis alot. there will be no more rigging in sind, no more may 12s . General Kiyani must throw out all of Mush loyalits out of the army . punjab will back him . the forces should be withdrawn from baluchistan and dialogue should begin . in sind ppp , the true reprsentative should be allowed to attain supreme power . this will stop further defamation of punjab .