Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’

Re: # 179

Miyan Asadi,

It is important to know how the bigoted momeen neighbourer views you if you have to decide what level of defence you have to keep.

Till the time musharaff is considered as a munafiqoon by the mullahs he is a great choice for the idolators because then we can be sure about him being against the demonic shariah.

If kiyani is also viewed as a munafiqoon then he is a great neighbour for the idolators!!

Musharraf without the uniform is like the tiger without teeth or claws. It is only a matter of time before he is bumped off.

laddu writes "Can anyone enlighten us??"

IT is a near impossible task to enlighten bigots...

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Zeemax mian, Musharraf wouldn't let anyone take his uniform off as well but he was forced to. With the uniform gone he is finished. The military will of course do the bidding of its US masters, the moment the politicians try to outsmart Kayani, he will act just like Musharraf did with the NS. Now is the moment to do something different to capitalize on the sentiments of the people, and their genuine grievances, to capitalize on the movements that Musharraf's bs has given to us as "fringe benefits". The NS should not think at the level of the president but should consider how to check the coas, and that is only possible through the people of Pakistan and their movements....otherwise impeach or not, the same circles will continue leading to dismemberment of the Western parts...

Is Kiyani going to renew the tap of terrorism and jehad against India or he is going to silently cut the roots of jehadis??

Can anyone enlighten us??

#174 Posted by masadi,

Bush has said that Nawaz Sharif cannot fight the war on terror, which gives the man NS that is added credibility

Yes, but support on WOT is the deciding factor in any political set-up in Pakistan, and Kayani is as big a WOT supporter as musharraf.

NS's condition to participate in elections i.e. pre-3rd Nov judiciary is unrealistic. How can musharraf allow that when he's taking oath tomorrow? (Though I don't know what oath and to whom since constitution is suspended) A pre- 3rd Nov judiciary will restore the presidential eligibility case plus scores of others AND a fresh treason case. Musharraf is certainly not going to let anyone hang him.

So the best course would be for all parties to contest these elections, bar the SC verdict on 'emergency' from getting parliamentary approval, and impeach musharraf with a 2/3rd majority.

All else will be just running around in circles for another 5 years.

Masadi sahib,

(The look on Kayani's face revealed his thoughts regarding Musharraf)

It is said that when Ayub handed over COAS post to Yahya he replied "Thank you, sir, and Khuda Hafiz". Is that true?

(which gives the man NS that is added credibility in my books....)

You may be happy to note that both Zee sahib and I are big time fans of NS.

Regards

On the chowk scene tahmed is busy red flagging masadi's posts, as if he is some kind of unappointed chowk police. He thinks it is worth the effort even with his hits and misses because to ban masadi and likeminded folk goes a long way for him in promoting his US worshipping BS here. Thus far he has been unsuccessful in convincing the chowk staff regarding banning me but sooner or later he might be successful......like rats running on the wheel, pathetic morons can never see the reason behind the "running", they can never confront facts with counter arguments, they can only try tricks at banning and censorship...

In related news Bush has said that Nawaz Sharif cannot fight the war on terror, which gives the man NS that is added credibility in my books....

The "fat lady" has sung apparently, and the dictator has agreed to take off his uniform in private, after the final warning conveyed by Negroponte. He has saved his life but lost his power. The look on Kayani's face revealed his thoughts regarding Musharraf, he was saying (in his heart), "compared to me, you are dog sh** now". In the murky waters of the Pakistan political scene, without the uniform, Musharraf is like a clueless lost tourist. He will be got rid of soon enough. Like his predecessors he has fleeced the country moreso than any civilian prime minister could imagine. They do it on a personal level, the military does it on an institutional and country wide level as well as the personal level. Dumb fcuks with the intellect of swines usurp status reserved for people's leaders and make decisions that only people of intellect are justified in making, and the results of this we see in the country going to the dogs.

Smell the coffee #162
I don't think nuke decision was bad. It was good. (Although they made lot of money out of this also. Don't ask me how).
-First of all Nawaz Sharif ruled through the Governor on Sind during most of his second stint.
-His cabinet involved people from his neighbour and close aquaintance.
- Usually since Pakistan is a Federation there is unwritten understanding that President and Prime minister will be from different provinces. While he had president, prime minister and Army Chief in waiting not only close aquaintance but also from same province.
There was significant problem which was attacking the federation of Pakistan.
- Taleban were so strong in NWFP that it was predicted that not IF but WHEN they will takeover Pakistan.
- They attacked on another pillar of democracy, Supreme Court and Created an alternative supreme court in Baluchistan.
- They stopped the newsreel of Jang Newspaper and forced it to not Publish. (As it was exposing corruption)
- And last but not least economy was in shambles and Stock index was 1300 Rupees. Pakistan was nearing default, and there was not enough money to even repay the debt. Pakistan's credit rating was bad and on corruption was almost at the top of most corrupt countries.

tahmed 32:
I agree with the logic and principle.
So far there is no party and no part of Pakistan where any party can claim that this part belong to this or that party.
As I have repeatedly mentioned, even during the initial days of Pervez Musharraf, when he was trying to erect a local bodies. I at that time was convinced that even local bodies election should be held on party basis.
I also think inspite of differences with one or another party that let the parties who have trust of people serve, at the local and provincial level.
At the national level, the situation and Pakistan,s position is so critical that it needs to be run by highly professional people ( and it does not mean Army). We cannot have geniuses like Bhutto all the time, but if we have strong institutions, it will be better.
As far as MQM taking sides with Pervez Musharraf during visit of Chief Justice, I may agree with you . But at the same time you should realize MQM was allied with the Government both at central and provincial level, and it is no surprise to me. In the best possible scenario, they would have remained neutral.
As far as Dal Roti, I think Karachi economy contributes to overall Pakistan economy, as well as with good economy people migrate from other parts and it releases some pressure. A calm Karachi is in the interest of Pakistan.
And I am pretty sure that MQM has some understanding and not in this fiasco but in other situations also Karachi has been calm.

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Musharraf to quit as Army Chief tomorrow

Islamabad (PTI): Bowing to intense domestic and global pressure, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf is finally set to doff uniform on wednesday after a nine-year reign as Army Chief and hand over charge to his trusted deputy and former ISI chief Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani before being sworn in as a civilian ruler for a second term on Thursday.
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Remember: it ain't over until the fat lady sings, and she hasn't sung yet.....

Kamath writes "Nothing can be changed except Allah's will. and He has gone to sleep."

Leave Allah out of it you idiot. Allah's will is deferred to a determined time because this world is not the end all and be all, it is transitory. Don't try to dictate what Allah's will should be or be so pompous as to demand that he "hurry up", especially given your dimwitted mentality. India is in much greater mess than Pakistan if you ask me, you just don't hear about it that much because the power state does not consider it its playing field at this time...

To be honest with you other readers of Chowk, let me express my views about Pakistan.

I don't wish to engage in a sort of enjoying from somebody else's misery. This mess and misery has been created by influential segments of the Pakistani society. Army, corrupt politicians,religious fanatics and collaborators in civil service and even in academia.

This political Tamasha has been going for a long time. So I have decided to watch on TV, read and reflect along with my good cup of tea.

Let the events take course on their own. Nothing can be changed except Allah's will. and He has gone to sleep.

Kamath