Imran Ali Teepu November 25, 2007
#6 Posted by majumdar on November 27, 2007 4:36:57 am
Bhatti sahib,
A very valid point and all govt should be investing heavily in education and training. Those socities which do may turn out to be tomorrow's winners.
But coming back to PTCL and such other entities. Let's not forget that the large majority of workers in South Asia are rural labourers and urban constuction workers etc, these are the real underprivileged ones not the (relative) fat cats who hold unionised jobs in public sector units. I dont think we should shed too much tears for the latter, they should be given the option of undergoing some training at public expense in addition to severance pay and then left to fend for themselves.
Regards
A very valid point and all govt should be investing heavily in education and training. Those socities which do may turn out to be tomorrow's winners.
But coming back to PTCL and such other entities. Let's not forget that the large majority of workers in South Asia are rural labourers and urban constuction workers etc, these are the real underprivileged ones not the (relative) fat cats who hold unionised jobs in public sector units. I dont think we should shed too much tears for the latter, they should be given the option of undergoing some training at public expense in addition to severance pay and then left to fend for themselves.
Regards
#5 Posted by krbhatti on November 27, 2007 4:05:59 am
Majumdar sahib,
[If you have brains, willing to work hard and continuously retrain yourself there is no fear to lose job.]
What will happen to those who work hard, but got no brains. There are plenty of them. 90% of people works in semi skilled occupation. Don't they deserve job security?
[If you have brains, willing to work hard and continuously retrain yourself there is no fear to lose job.]
What will happen to those who work hard, but got no brains. There are plenty of them. 90% of people works in semi skilled occupation. Don't they deserve job security?
#4 Posted by majumdar on November 27, 2007 3:43:05 am
Bhatti sahib,
(why the employees were not given the right to purchase it)
The correct procedure would have been to offer it through an open competitive bid and the highest bidder to get the company- the payment terms of course being the same for everyone.
(No job security, no way to secure post retirement life...)
If you have brains, willing to work hard and continuously retrain yourself there is no fear to lose job.
Regards
(why the employees were not given the right to purchase it)
The correct procedure would have been to offer it through an open competitive bid and the highest bidder to get the company- the payment terms of course being the same for everyone.
(No job security, no way to secure post retirement life...)
If you have brains, willing to work hard and continuously retrain yourself there is no fear to lose job.
Regards
#3 Posted by krbhatti on November 26, 2007 10:46:26 pm
In UAE and Gulf it is customery to work on contract basis for expat workers, while the locals in these countries enjoy job security and retirement benefits no way near the the expats. Well, its their country, they can give preference to their own citizens though even their I have some reservations, but thanks to the ruler junta of Pakistan and that include military as well as so called democarts, this contract work phenomenon is now becoming norm in Pakistan also. No job security, no way to secure post retirement life...
I even remember the way the great short cut aziz raised the minimum wages. He raised it and raised the numbers of working hours at the same time effectively reducing the per hour rate. What a spin doctor.....
PTCL could be called many things, but it was still profitable and instead of selling it to etisalat, why the employees were not given the right to purchase it; afterall it was sold on deferred payment basis i.e. pay as you earn basis after etisalat failed to produce full 25% downpayment.
I even remember the way the great short cut aziz raised the minimum wages. He raised it and raised the numbers of working hours at the same time effectively reducing the per hour rate. What a spin doctor.....
PTCL could be called many things, but it was still profitable and instead of selling it to etisalat, why the employees were not given the right to purchase it; afterall it was sold on deferred payment basis i.e. pay as you earn basis after etisalat failed to produce full 25% downpayment.
#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 26, 2007 9:23:40 pm
Now this new company which now controlled by new money from gulf. They give damn to workers.As our elites sold national asset of telephone to gulfi elites who are recist than even americans and have contempt pakistanis. It just corroupting govt and buying company. They will fire all they say and more. Now they can make work for peanuts and they just want to make money, blood money by killing families from midcalass to underclass. Now our elites ask outsider to exploit who we are to complain. Rulers have no love for people, just they love for votes and when they casted it , they kick them as sacraficial animals.
All poiticians are doing to kill poor and make him work . Now traders are worst enemy of people. They dump all goods from china, india, and what not and people loose jobs. But you do not care as you elites only interested " organised labor sector". More jobs or lost by smuggling goods from "Your enemy india and friend China". Final result is same killing poor by making them loose jobs. But You do not want go to root of problem and flow against current and go to source which is root close India, china, korea and all who dump goods and awam becomes unemployed. Please worry about helpless pakistanis than just organised sector which is almost happy organised workers. What about nonorganised sectors why no tears for real loosers for 60 years.
bye
All poiticians are doing to kill poor and make him work . Now traders are worst enemy of people. They dump all goods from china, india, and what not and people loose jobs. But you do not care as you elites only interested " organised labor sector". More jobs or lost by smuggling goods from "Your enemy india and friend China". Final result is same killing poor by making them loose jobs. But You do not want go to root of problem and flow against current and go to source which is root close India, china, korea and all who dump goods and awam becomes unemployed. Please worry about helpless pakistanis than just organised sector which is almost happy organised workers. What about nonorganised sectors why no tears for real loosers for 60 years.
bye
#1 Posted by Wolfe on November 26, 2007 2:08:21 pm
I have known PTCL employees who don't even show up for work and get paid. It's about time PTCL gets privatized and smell the corporate air. Only then there is a chance that resources won't be wasted and money will be put to good use. ie further investment in products and services.
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