First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan

Re: # 106

They can shove their 10 billion where sun doesn't rise but one thing I am sure of is that capitalist cannot and will not shut down opium bazar, since that is how they fund their operations; Just like they were funding their operations in Honduras and South America in 80s (under Negroponte) by selling drugs in Los Angeles.

Re: # 104 Posted by Urstruly on November 29, 2007 9:29:27 am

[So Kiyani is NaPak's fouj's Yehya Khan-II.] Yes, and hopefully it will be rather quick. Negroponte is not known to have much patience. You must be aware of what he did in Hondurus, as a lowly ambassodor. Mush will be replaced by Kiyani before the year is over.

$10 Billion is at stake, of which $1 Billion will be spent in NWFP. The capitalists want to get rid of the opium bazaar in those areas.

#44 Posted by VRV on November 28, 2007 2:26:41 pm
{"Salimbhai,
Tahmed32 lost his marbles or dont know the topic of this article OR prolly he's substituing for Mantolives, who was on sabbatical from Chowk."}

VRV Bhai,
Hypo Chacha Al Butteesi has "discovered" democracy and, more importantly, "one man one vote." Of course, when the Bengalis were the solid majority of Pakistan, people like him spoke of "parity" and other notions, but not "one man one vote."

Having forced the Bengalis to go their separate way and now that the people he cares for, the people of his province, constitute a solid majority, Chacha is all for "one man one vote." Any wonder why he is dubbed as Hypo Chacha?

So Kiyani is NaPak's fouj's Yehya Khan-II.

Aik aur darya ka saam’na tha, munir mujhe
Main ik darya k paar utra tu main ne daikha

When are these assholes gonna quit.

rf #101 thanks for the apologies, my friend.

as for the new kid, i think we will find out in the weeks and months ahead. One thing to remember is that behind this kid is the rest of the military. And from all indications, the military is not happy at how they are having to treat their own people as the enemy. Also, if that military thought the same way as Musharraf, he would still be wearing his uniform. That is my best guess.

Anyway, let us pray that Pakistanis come out of this crisis more united than ever before, and with a democracy for which so many Pakistanis have paid with their lives or physical injury or incarceration or loss of jobs this year.

in the same article you will see that Kiyani in a manner of speaking sympathises with the Taliban......hence my comment that the winner in this is the mullah-o-cracy. Pray that the army wins and retains its original ideological roots....

Re: # 96

tahmed32,

I was simply translating into Urdu, if I have offended thee, then please accept my humble apologies.

Having said that, how is the new kid on the block?

#97 DashDot: The Pakistan military is a fine institution. No need to convince me. I saw the military even before Musharraf even joined it. However, the military now has a job to do - which is to prove to the people of Pakistan that it is there to serve them. Not vice versa.

Musharraf did a great disservice to the army when he tried to flatter it yesterday by giving the totally wrong message to it - i.e. that it owes allegiance to individuals, not to the nation as represented by duly elected representatives of the people.

Re: # 94

laddu jee,

with all due respect, there are some seriously flawed assumptions in your knowledge base.

DashDot: I dont think you have reflected on what I wrote about your view that power comes from the barrel of a gun. Just think of this reality that I mentioned below to you that has come to pass for Musharraf who thought along the same lines:

"This March, Musharraf fired the CJ because in doing so he thought he would get to be President and uniformed Chief of Army at the same time for another 5 years. In a few short months, even with the CJ in prison, Mush has had not choice but to do exactly what the CJ had told him he should do."

tahmed32 this is why the army is the best thing for pakistan...tell me which other industry or compnay or venue is there for this sort of a thing to happen in pakistan

"Military circles say the rise of General Kiyani through the ranks of the Pakistan Army has been rapid, if not extraordinary. They point out that this would be the first time that the son of a non-commissioned officer (NCO) would head the Pakistan Army. His humble background as the son of an NCO has endeared him to the junior ranks of the army." http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/10/who-is-general-ashfaq-kiyani.html

T his is real meritocracy. Watch Kiyani screw the feudal Bib-10% and the bank-swindler-sharif-e-badmash-ibn-arabia (representatives of all that is bad in pakistan)

#95 rf: namecalling and attributing to me the opposite of what i said does not befit you. please try again.

Re: # 88

chachu buthee,

Congratulations. You now have a new prophet called "Kiyani", so please do all of us a favor and give a rest to the much abused CJ.

"However, his critics point out that even though he has been projected as a highly successful chief of the ISI, it was during his tenure that the neo-Taliban staged a comeback in the tribal areas of Pakistan with a big bang and the Pakistan Army practically lost control over the Pashtun belt, thus enabling al Qaeda to establish its sanctuaries in the Waziristan region on the Pak-Afghan border."

This could be a danger man!!!

Re: # 89 that is touching indeed, i.e "not corrupted by power as yet"..... 8-()

kiyani was head honcho ISI. Kiyani is COAS, and C-JCSC(in waiting I think). Come on that is power. And did you hear the speech at the hand over thingy parade (the photograph of which you posted on UP). "It is the Army which has safe guarded Pakistan and has its interests at heart".

For the common abdul of the street - rule of law dont matter. With one it is feudalism, nepotism, etc. With the other it is nepotism, with elitism. No difference Tahmed32 - that is why you have the bearded men ruling the streets. Atleast with the army, there is an appearence of meritocracy.

In all of this it is the bearded men - the mullah-o-cracy which are the winners.

You read too much into the battleship potemkin - aint gonna happen. karachi is no odessa. And pakistan is no Russia. and this is the 21st century ...... collectivism is passe and the world will not allow collectivism (of that kind) to happen again.

I have a feeling that Kiyani is going to be very friendly with the mullahs and would be worse than Zia in the coming future!!!