First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan

Re: # 50 Posted by hamidm2 on November 28, 2007 6:16:35 pm

[....actually, things were a lot worse in the mid-seventies ......... i was born in quetta and half my relatives live there, so i know a little bit about it ......]

And yet, you still buy in to Punjabi admimistration's propaganda against Baluchis all these years. You know how Baluchis have been mistreated all these years by Islamabad. Don't you?

About this problem:


Q) Which is the largest Baluch city in Pakistan?

Answer: Karachi

Q) Which city has the largest population of Pathans?

Answer: Probably Karachi

Q) Which is the largest Sindhi City?

Answer: Karachi

Q) So called Mohajirs?

Answer: Karachi

Q) Largest Punjabi City?

Answer: Lahore. Karachi is in either second or third place

Q) Largest Bengali City in Pakistan?

Answer: Karachi

Parallels between Bangladesh and Baluchistan?

Answer: Probably none...

Re: # 53

tahmed -- "kay dooba jai hai yeh aftab ahista ahista" -- was also in response to hamidm's " nikalta aa rahaa hai aftab".

The Gen. was almost crying like a kid losing his army toy. He surely did not want to give it up.

One of the sentences in his rambling speech was rather curious. He said: "I 'hope' the army will remain as 'loyal' to Gen. Kiyani as it was to me".

Does it sound to you a little sinister? -- or it was his usual -- delusional megalomanis -- spilling in between his crying stuff.

viqarm:
I don't know where are you getting your information from (looks like you are getting Ilham or Wahi).
Altaf Hussain or MQM has never demonized the army. (Army operation was started because they just did not realized their limits)
Now you don't expect a party with 13-17 members in parliament to take a lead in 200+ strong parliament. They can only take a stand on issues. And I will give them credit where it is due.

@Krashid;
" don't think that was threat.
Army operation in Baluchistan stopped in 2006".

So why didn't MQM pull out of the ruling coalition in 2006? Pir sahib had issued his ultimatum long before Bugti was killed.

@VRV

What is the big deal about issuing a statement of condolence? Altaf bhai has been demonizing the rmy since the 1980's. Why this sudden soft corner for a military dictator?

Re: # 64
bj -- you may be right -- but right now it seems that the army may genuinely want to disengage itself from messy civilian politics and get back in a hurry to barracks after Musharraf's PR disasters after disasters.

tAhmed 32:
I have always been while in Pakistan against the politics of MQM.
I think your point of more democracy in parties is valid.
As you remember when I say survival of Pakistan is more important than for example democracy.
First determine your direction as a nation, solution will come on its own.
Tell me what will happen once people get elected. As HamidM says hung parliament. There will be a party of Government and party of opposition. With parties changing allignment with Government.
And in the end I will be saying Bechare Lawyer.

krashid: you are welcome to your views about the mqm. perhaps you know things i dont. however, from everything i have seen, i can only consider mqm to be a party of ethnic fascists that has committed violence (murders, kidnappings, tortures) to establish themselves in karachi, and that has betrayed Pakistanis at their hour of need on May 12.

I agree on point 1. Our national parties badly need inner party democracy. But mqm is no different, and in many ways (as per above) much worse. So the answer is to introduce inner party democracy in political parties, not go for the most lawless, divisive and violent one of them all!!

On point 2, mqm started off as "muhajir", changed that to "muttahida" - but its actions speak louder than any words.

If there is anything else about mqm that you know that I dont, then I am all ears. but the above are not convincing at all.

Ahmed madani sahib,

I am not sure about the data you have on stock prices of shipping companies and oil drillers worldwide. Can you quote sources please??? in India most stocks related to a wide spectrum of the energy business are doing very well. Rigs in fact are heavily in short-supply worldwide and holding up E&P activities.

But B'stan's royalty on gas should be related to the market price of gas, no two opinions about this, if they are being shortchanged that is not done at all!!! i dont know how royalty is caluclated in Pakistan but in India on all new wells there is a revenue sharing model wherein a % certain percentage of the profit (which can vary depending on the market prices) has to be passed on to the Govt. Which in turn is shared b/w GoI and state govt in a particular ratio.

Regards

TAhmed 32:
As far as I remember or know MQM has never done any struggle for freedom from dictatorship. If you have any information then I will accept your point that they betrayed.
As far as divisive politics. There are two points I would like to mention.
1- I would like to see National Parties succeed. But I have no faith in those parties. For valid reason. Nawaz Sharif ruled Sind through Governor most of his second stint. And People's party did killings and extrajudicial killing through Naseerullah Babar. Those issues are deeply ingrained in the psyche of people.
2- MQM does not compose of only Mohajir, it includes and involves all communities and nationalities. Moreover it is a party of Middle class and has the support of middle class. You cannot force people to change mind when they have not changed their mind after 10 years of state operation against MQM.

Re: # 14 ,The prices(NG) are extremely depressed to around 6 to 7 dollars/ mmbtu. Two years ago the prices were in lower teens( $12). Presently the prices are low so marginal wells all over world are being capped. All canadian gas producers are on "gas". Within few years things may change as worldwide facilities at ports will be build. Pakistan is building its firt LNG facility at port. The carriers of gas have also suffered extremely,stocks of all VLGCs ( very large gas carriers) have gone down compared to last two years. The stocks of all drillers norwegian, Usa, French ( very large co.)canadian are at low levels. In some parts of world like russia, Canada the wells are capped as there is no storage capacity left.Most drillers are cancelling to procur and not exercising the options to buy rigs. Due warm conditions in winter worldwide last two years and it looks this year also there is no great demand for gas due to extreme cold.
The point is if B.Stan sells its gas at international prices they well get many times than now. If punjab , Sindh farmers get more prices by quarrelling with govt ( wheat and sugar for example which is higher than international prices) why B. gas sold be at such low rates ?
There should be some equity , all provinces are equal but some are more equal, chaep gas at cost to B.Stan as usual.
good day.

#48 Nasah sahib

They ALL start out as paak-saaf insaan until they taste actual power. After that, any excuse will do to grab it all and hang on to it for as long as possible, strictly to "save" the country.

Pakistani khakis have saved that country more times than Jesus Christ has saved souls!

hamidm: and one more thing - you are confident that mush and ns have a deal. I wont forget this. And when mush is out of his "post-retirement job", as he will be within a few months at most, I will be sure to remind you of your prediction.

;..now Balach Marri has been killed, and Pir sahib hasn't moved a finger.

Talk is cheap. Hypocrisy would be the undoing of MQM.'

59 by viqarm,


Thi is 4 u.


'Altaf Hussain pays condolence to Nawab Khair Buksh Marri
London- 22 November 2007 Mr. Altaf Hussain Founder and Leader of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) expressed his deep and profound sorrow over the unexpected death of Balach Marri son of Nawab Khair Buksh Marri in a clash. While commenting on the death incident, Mr. Hussain said that the Government should disclose the real facts to the nation about the death incident of Balach Marri.'

www.mqm.com

Viqarm.
I don't think that was threat.
Army operation in Baluchistan stopped in 2006.
Currently there is provisional Government.
The point is that a party with a small leverage like 13-17 seats in parliament can hold so much leverage. What about the bigger parties like PML (Q) and MMA which were part of Government. If they would have taken stand to begin with there would not have been any operation. And same is the case in NWFP.
It is a common folly to blame the crime of a nation on one person and become abluted and pious. This was the same folly we did in Bangladesh.

#48 Posted by nasah on November 28, 2007 5:00:02 pm

kiyani is the new leash on the old dog...changing a leash doesn't make a lion out of a dog...