First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan

These kids?

Name : Mr Altaf Hussain, MQM Founder Leader
Location : London, UK
E mail : mqm@mqm.org
URL : www.mqm.org
Date : 3 July 2001

Comment : 3 July 2001 The Members of Baloch Voice Web Team Assalam-o-alaikum I visited your website and was very happy to see the way you have so effectively and brilliantly arranged the various sections. I salute each and every member of your website f

Your Views about Balochistan,s future. :

I What shall we do ? II. And How should we do it ? :

I would like to suggest to your Website Team to get hold of the photographs of the GENOCIDE COMMITTED against the Baloch men, youth and innocent children, who were brutally executed by the Army during 1973. Such photographs of martyrs could be displayed o

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Altaf is a Pakistani leader.


Zee,

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Do these kids look like Aryans?

Yes, Borohi's and other ethnic tribes in south and East are dravidians. Then there are also Kurdsa and Nergos called Makranis.

Zee sahib/Saima,

Thank you very much.

Regards

#18 Posted by majumdar,

I couldn't comment on that because I'm not familiar with the Brahui or Dravidian languages. But in physique, they're all fair-skinned and very sturdily built. I don't know if any Dravidian branch had those physical traits.

Re your # 5, the rebellion is only by the ethnic Baluchi tribes who are mostly settled on the gas resources in central Baluchistan. The Pushtoons who are a vast majority in Quetta and the Iranian border are loyal to Pakistan, as are the Brahuis of the coastal regions. But due to ethnic Baluch have a greater leverage because of the gas resources in their lands.

This rebellion has nothing to do with Taliban sympathy. It is purely for economic reasons. The Pushtoons of Baluchistan are not aligned with Taliban either, and neither are the Brahuis. This is why the rebellion in Baluchistan has far from mass support and the Government has been able to suppress it time and again since the 70s.

It is really true that Baluch are unfortunate people . They have suffered alot more than anyone else. However during the last 8 years their suffering has been intense. General Musharaf has brutalized them like no one else . He wants to basically dole out Baluch land to officer corps. The land in sind and punjab and seraiki belt is finished. Secondly he wants to create a coastal province for urduspeakers. this is fully evident . Despite all pressures,he went ahead with gawadar port project . MQM minister recently announced that a new port at Gadani will be built . It has been a long standing dream of Urduspeakers to have a separate province/state . Once Gawadar and the coastal belt is colonised the Urduspeakers will be able to separate from rural Sind and create a new country/province.

Having said that ,let me make it clear that people of punjab are against the military operation in baluchistan, the lootsale of land in gawadar . They would whole-heartedly agree to giving baluchistan a greater share of gas royalty . People of punjab are also against setting up of cantonements. It has been the non-punjabi/kashmiri rulers/army chiefs who have done military operations in baluchistan. The first operation was ordered by quaidazam/liaquat ali khan .the second by ayub khan,third ny Zulfi Bhutto,Fourth by General Musharaf. There was no military operation in General Zia's time . It was during his time that the gas was brought to Quetta.General Zia's first act upon taking over was to free all the detained baluch nationalists leaders . He went to Hyderabad where they were jailed and had lunch with them . From 1977 onwards there was peace in baluchistan until Musharaf Dehlvi took over . When the military operation was in full swing,General Musharaf's own lapdogs Shujjat Husain and Mushhaid Husain tried to negotiate peace . They even managed to set up a parlimentry committee to create proposals to appease baluchistan . The committe came up with reccomendations but General Musharaf vetoed them .

Finally gas was first discovered during 1951 in sui. It first went to Karachi , and then much later to punjab . But the Urdu-speakers and MQM FORGET all this . On top of that most of the land that has been bought in Gawadar has been brought by entities from Karachi . Once the port is operational, it will be karachites who will be asked to run it , not punjabis . Lahore is 1500 km away from Gawad while Karachi is only 500 km away . The original population of gawadar is just 3 lacs so within a short time , they will become red-indians. This is the Musharaf/Urdu-speaking plan and punjab has NO ROLE in it .

Haven't been hearing much action in B'stan these days. What's the matter, the province is quiet now or that faster paced action elsewhere has overshadowed action in B'stan?
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There is a low level insurgency by BLA, mainly to safegaurd the interests of the Baloch Sardars. Recently Balach Marri got killed. The government says he was killed by NATO Forces, but BLA wants to capitalise the incident. It appears the Government is right.
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If I understand right, southern parts of B'stan have a Baluchi majority, northern parts have a Pushtoon majority, is that right? Is there any bad blood or feeling of comptt between the two?
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Balochistan does not totally represent the Baloch stream. Baloch stream itself is divided into three countries ie Seistan in Iran, Farah in Afghanistan and Balochistan in Pakistan. Within Pakistan, there are three divides between those who are the permanent residents. To the South and East are the ethhnic sub continental tribes like the Barohi's, Bheels etc. They are an indigenous descentand not Aryans.Then there are the Rindh Baloch divided into mengals, jatois, bughtis, lagharism jhakaranis and so forth. They are all jats and also contigiuos to Sindh and Punjab and behave like sindies and punjabies. To the North are Pathans who are mostly Durranis sub classed into Salman Khels, Mando Khels, Jogezais, Achakzais, pupalzais, ghaibzais and so forth. They occupy Quetta, Khurasan(Zhob, Muslim bagh etc). Though they are all indiginous, there is sone faultline between Pathans and baloch. However, it is not to an extent that can lead to seperation.
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Where does the political sympathy of B'stan Pathan lie. Is he pro-havayoon like his counterparts in much of NWFP or is he pro-kanjaroon or simply neutral? If pro-havayoon how come he has not joined the insurgency openly like in Swat/W'stan.
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Pathans in Balochistan are all pro Pakistan, Mehmood Khan Achackzai was a socialist aligned to Parcham and Khalq Parties in Afghanistan, but is now a progressive nationalist. You will be surprised that the present format of 14 august celebrations in Pakistan originated in Quetta.
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And what about the Baloch, he is obviously alienated from Pakistan. But does he support the havayoons in NWFP (enemy of my enemy is my friend) or oppose them ('cos of Baloch-Pushtoon rivalry)?
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This is a hypothesis that CIA and Raw wish to happen.

Zee sahib,

Are you saying that most Brahuis are havayoons by temperament, not kanjaroons.

Regards

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Another interesting tidbit. Maulana Abdul-Rashid Ghazi of Lal-Masjid was a Brahvi, from Rojhan Mazari on the Baluchistan-Punjab border.

Zee sahib,

I have heard something interesting about the Brahuis. That there language is very similar to the South Indian Dravidians and probably gives credence to the theory that Indus Valley people were Dravidians.

Is this right?

Btw what about the questions in #5, if you can elaborate.

Regards

#5 Posted by majumdar,

There's also a third very powerful ethnic group there called Brahvis who own practically the entire Baluchistan coastal areas, and large parts of their tribes live in the South Punjab/Sind/Baluchistan bordering towns and closer to Punjabis than Baluch. The Lagharis and the Jamalis are examples, one of whom was the President and the other the Prime Minister in recent times.

Nawab of Kalat Ahmed Yar Khan, the ruler of entire Baluchistan at Partition who acceded to Pakistan, was a Brahvi.

Saima,

Thanks. Btw could you answer the queries I had addressed to HP sain in #5.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

majundar,
its nor so. balochistan once produced the bulk of gas which has increased over time. But gasfields at Sawan and Kadanwari, operated by OMV in Sindh and Qadirpur (OGDC) produce more gas than Sui and Pirkoh Balochistan. There are very big gas reservoirs in Karak (NWFP) while Punjab is supplying most og the gas to uo country.

Ahmed madani sahib,

(Presently world wide Natuaral gas are depressed extremely )

I dont think that's true. The spot prices of gas is over $7 per mmbtu which can hardly be considered low.

(Presently GOP sells gas at extremely low prices to consumers as it is baloch assets and they are generous to public at cost to balochistan.)

Incidentally a substantially large portion of gas from ONGC is also sold in India at very low prices (less than US$2 at well head, about US$3 delivered). This gas comes from a number of wells at different states- TN/AP/Gujarat/Maharashtra (inland and on seas). Fortunately for us unlike Baloch these people are not fighting rockets in order to increase the gas prices, hope the CMs of these provinces do not read you in Chowk.

Regards

Every sane person will have sympathy and nonpunjabi natationalities will have emphathy. It true baloachi are unfortunate people. They have 42% land mass but no more population worth in numbers. Soon they will be reduced/ or already to native Sindhis. Outsiders do not know Quetta is capital is more pathan than Baloach and pathan are not push over. After present culling B.Nationalist only anger small part of Quetta. Pathan quetta went ahead with usual chores nonchalantly. As MQM limits Sindhi nationalist aspirations same way Pathans as equivanet to MQM. The bengal was a homogenous mass except some urdu speakers and had no great material value tp pakistan but just real estate and was responsiblity the defence cost and they had capacity to show subservive ideas about democracy and freedonmand cultural ethos and vision above all glue of language. So pakistani elites were not verry unhappy to part as real danger was if landless start emulating ideas of fall of feudal landlordship could have been unberable to ruling elites. baloach as people are not important as prople ( now nobody says openly but actions are louder than lofty slogans.) Problem with B.stan is they are poor people with enormous wealth under their feets. As general said national assets. Baloachi problem is their assets are "national assets". The life of punjab abd sindh is energised by big lines bringing gas by sui company for so many years. Still enormous amounts of hydrocarbons is lurking underground. That is reason largest foreign amout is poured in buying ogdc and other companies. many exploratory drill are giving excellent results. So it like big river flowing and natives have no water and is transported away. The baloach have choice in theory. If they become independent they will 3 millions balochi rich , or same number but poor pakistanis. Nationalists are banking on rich becoming dreams. These are dreams as without Baloach hydrocarbons punjab and sindh will suffer and will have to bring all gas at international prices. Presently world wide Natuaral gas are depressed extremely but they will reason as gas demand goes up. Presently GOP sells gas at extremely low prices to consumers as it is baloch assets and they are generous to public at cost to balochistan. In army rule Balochistan govt gets peanuts for royalties. But they have no strength to bargain as they will be undermined by GOP and army.
Army is storng and more beefed due to american mobility assets , like helicopter Gunship , airmachines , pilotless drones and usa made smart missiles. So they are too powerful to be challanged in open. The asymmetrical war is going between nationalists and Sindhi and Punjabi elites for mineral weaths. There is always adjustments by weaker parties. Probably few millions of dollars by A.stan and India given give hell to army. Nationalists have advantage as vast pipelines,enormous number elecric wire pylons and railway rais are easy targets. Army has to be lucky to hunt even few trouble makers while trouble makers are always lucky. 4 thousnad rupees worth of explosive blows up gas pipeline, like crude explosive topples 100s thousand dollars worth pole and electrcity gone. They need leadership who can work some garanttees to baloach people. Army dominated "deveoplments of cantonments" and bases is not good thing. Baloach also suspects elites are selling assets of B.Stan at sale. The big G is example. All lands were taken over by outsider. The corrouption is heavenly. Singapore govt got 40 years tax holidy it is unheard and there are rumors of lot of money transfrerred. Same way the mines for copper and gold silver were sold to chinese at throw away prices when Australin metal mining giant compnay was redy to offer alomst 5 times money. The deal was suspicios to say least. There should be inquiry why mines were sold so throw away prices to chinese companies and why 40 years tax holiday at cost of B. people. Why so cheap gas is provided to others at cost of B.Stan.
Hopefully b. Nationalist will not go on road like bengalis as there is neighbour like india. And all others will unite and crush the resitance. Hope good moderate leaders will work some formula so they can get wealth and do not go away from pakistan as then sindhi nationalist go same way and then pakistan will have no powerful navy against india.Wat in B.stan will not lead to independance but deat of baloach people and privations. All efforts be made by GOP to coll down people of B.Stan and offer provincial freedm and let them have gas and mineral assets so pakistan will be preserved. Nationalist leader should be aware of NON baloachi leadership who will cry with them but will go out and party with army as mr. Ustruely and hp and z says.
People should make suggestions for love and friendship and not blowing pipelines, rails and electric pylons.
All pakistanis are brothers.

thanx for sharing my view.
bjkumar, in a previous interact with me you had raised some questions to me regarding divisive forces in Pakistan. you never replied.