First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g

This NBC TV footage shows the assasination of Dhaka Uni ppl by the Pak army.

A timely article reminding Pakistanis why fouji haramis and their paltoo kuttas should be sent back to their kennels. As a matter of fact had these m/fs been tried in the international court of justice for their crimes against the citizens of Pakisant in East Pakistan, these rabid dogs would have not dared hurt any other Pakistani again. That encouraged them and now the attrocities of bangladesh are not only being repeated in Baluchistan but also in Waziristan and Sawt as well. And lets not forget the ethnic cleansing that fouj's paltoo MQM unleashed upon the citizens of pakistan in the 10 year civil war of Karachi and Sindh during 80s and 90s. NaPak fouj has become a security risk and a liability for Pakistan than an asset. Civil disobedience, social boycott of military families, and public shaming must be employed to set these harmkhors child killers straight.

The problems in Waziristan, Swat and Baluchistan are entirely different. Ik laathi say sub ko nahin haanko beta truly.

Baloch would most likely support the army action in Swat and waziristan. The army is fighting (if at all it is fighting- generally it is a fake war- Noora Kushti) the criminals in Swat and Wazistan. In Baluchistan people have legitimate political, economic,nationalist, and humanitarian issues.

Re: # 3

Some nura kushti it is where every policeman or fouji that gets cuaght is beheaded on daily basis and fouj spares no effort to bomb school killing hundereds of children at a time. Have you ever headrd prisoners being taken in this nura kushti? No. Fouj just commits the extrjudicial murder right there on the spot. Look at the video in post #1 and see how it is done. Please let go of you commie mindset and think in terms of humanity, fraternity and citizenary.

HP sain,

Haven't been hearing much action in B'stan these days. What's the matter, the province is quiet now or that faster paced action elsewhere has overshadowed action in B'stan?

If I understand right, southern parts of B'stan have a Baluchi majority, northern parts have a Pushtoon majority, is that right? Is there any bad blood or feeling of comptt between the two?

Where does the political sympathy of B'stan Pathan lie. Is he pro-havayoon like his counterparts in much of NWFP or is he pro-kanjaroon or simply neutral? If pro-havayoon how come he has not joined the insurgency openly like in Swat/W'stan.

And what about the Baloch, he is obviously alienated from Pakistan. But does he support the havayoons in NWFP (enemy of my enemy is my friend) or oppose them ('cos of Baloch-Pushtoon rivalry)?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

#2 Posted by Urstruly on November 27, 2007 7:00:42 pm

My dear miaN urstruly, the humiliation that the Pakistani khakis received in 1971 was worse than anything an international trial could ever have inflicted on them. (It made miaN Mushy cry like a girl, if one is to believe his account.) In fact, it was the utter humiliation which drove the khakis to do something they had not done before (or after) – turning power over to the civilian ZAB voluntarily.

Yet it made not the slightest bit of difference over time – the Zia Haque was back in the saddle merely six years later.

The attraction of power is just too great.

After all – starting with the Jinnah (who actively encouraged it) – Pakistan has only believed in the power of violence – and never in compromise! With that solid record of “getting-the-way-through-force�, it is the most natural thing for the khaki institution – which is the most forceful – to look down upon the rest of the institutions who want to do the same but are less strong – and for the army to forever remain eager to reclaim what it firmly believes is its own through the brutality of rule of the jungle!

Whether or not the Mushy actually surrenders power is immaterial. If it is not him, it will be only a matter of time before another dictator will step right into any (possibly) vacated shoes.

It amazes me why chowk staff permitted publication of such a naive and slipshod article on its front page. My viewpoint in no way indemnifies praetorianism, but rejects conspiracy based essays.

#2 Posted by Urstruly on November 27, 2007 7:00:42 pm


tried in the international court of justice for their crimes against the citizens of Pakisant in East Pakistan


AFAIK, YOUR country, the US of A, hasn't signed on to the ICJ thingy.

#7 Saima

It is not the job of chowk staff to read - it is that of its editors. And in fairness, one can say that the editors indeed try their very best to do that job once or twice in the blue moon.

It is not the job of chowk staff to read because that would be too much work for them and require them to learn a new skill called reading!

#7 Saima

It is not the job of chowk staff to read - it is that of its editors. And in fairness, one can say that the editors indeed try their very best to do that job once or twice in the blue moon.

It is not the job of chowk staff to read because that would be too much work for them and require them to learn a new skill called reading!

Saima,

(It amazes me why chowk staff permitted publication of such a naive and slipshod article on its front page.)

Appalling grammar as well. At least the chowkstaff could have had that corrected.

Regards

thanx for sharing my view.
bjkumar, in a previous interact with me you had raised some questions to me regarding divisive forces in Pakistan. you never replied.

Every sane person will have sympathy and nonpunjabi natationalities will have emphathy. It true baloachi are unfortunate people. They have 42% land mass but no more population worth in numbers. Soon they will be reduced/ or already to native Sindhis. Outsiders do not know Quetta is capital is more pathan than Baloach and pathan are not push over. After present culling B.Nationalist only anger small part of Quetta. Pathan quetta went ahead with usual chores nonchalantly. As MQM limits Sindhi nationalist aspirations same way Pathans as equivanet to MQM. The bengal was a homogenous mass except some urdu speakers and had no great material value tp pakistan but just real estate and was responsiblity the defence cost and they had capacity to show subservive ideas about democracy and freedonmand cultural ethos and vision above all glue of language. So pakistani elites were not verry unhappy to part as real danger was if landless start emulating ideas of fall of feudal landlordship could have been unberable to ruling elites. baloach as people are not important as prople ( now nobody says openly but actions are louder than lofty slogans.) Problem with B.stan is they are poor people with enormous wealth under their feets. As general said national assets. Baloachi problem is their assets are "national assets". The life of punjab abd sindh is energised by big lines bringing gas by sui company for so many years. Still enormous amounts of hydrocarbons is lurking underground. That is reason largest foreign amout is poured in buying ogdc and other companies. many exploratory drill are giving excellent results. So it like big river flowing and natives have no water and is transported away. The baloach have choice in theory. If they become independent they will 3 millions balochi rich , or same number but poor pakistanis. Nationalists are banking on rich becoming dreams. These are dreams as without Baloach hydrocarbons punjab and sindh will suffer and will have to bring all gas at international prices. Presently world wide Natuaral gas are depressed extremely but they will reason as gas demand goes up. Presently GOP sells gas at extremely low prices to consumers as it is baloch assets and they are generous to public at cost to balochistan. In army rule Balochistan govt gets peanuts for royalties. But they have no strength to bargain as they will be undermined by GOP and army.
Army is storng and more beefed due to american mobility assets , like helicopter Gunship , airmachines , pilotless drones and usa made smart missiles. So they are too powerful to be challanged in open. The asymmetrical war is going between nationalists and Sindhi and Punjabi elites for mineral weaths. There is always adjustments by weaker parties. Probably few millions of dollars by A.stan and India given give hell to army. Nationalists have advantage as vast pipelines,enormous number elecric wire pylons and railway rais are easy targets. Army has to be lucky to hunt even few trouble makers while trouble makers are always lucky. 4 thousnad rupees worth of explosive blows up gas pipeline, like crude explosive topples 100s thousand dollars worth pole and electrcity gone. They need leadership who can work some garanttees to baloach people. Army dominated "deveoplments of cantonments" and bases is not good thing. Baloach also suspects elites are selling assets of B.Stan at sale. The big G is example. All lands were taken over by outsider. The corrouption is heavenly. Singapore govt got 40 years tax holidy it is unheard and there are rumors of lot of money transfrerred. Same way the mines for copper and gold silver were sold to chinese at throw away prices when Australin metal mining giant compnay was redy to offer alomst 5 times money. The deal was suspicios to say least. There should be inquiry why mines were sold so throw away prices to chinese companies and why 40 years tax holiday at cost of B. people. Why so cheap gas is provided to others at cost of B.Stan.
Hopefully b. Nationalist will not go on road like bengalis as there is neighbour like india. And all others will unite and crush the resitance. Hope good moderate leaders will work some formula so they can get wealth and do not go away from pakistan as then sindhi nationalist go same way and then pakistan will have no powerful navy against india.Wat in B.stan will not lead to independance but deat of baloach people and privations. All efforts be made by GOP to coll down people of B.Stan and offer provincial freedm and let them have gas and mineral assets so pakistan will be preserved. Nationalist leader should be aware of NON baloachi leadership who will cry with them but will go out and party with army as mr. Ustruely and hp and z says.
People should make suggestions for love and friendship and not blowing pipelines, rails and electric pylons.
All pakistanis are brothers.

Ahmed madani sahib,

(Presently world wide Natuaral gas are depressed extremely )

I dont think that's true. The spot prices of gas is over $7 per mmbtu which can hardly be considered low.

(Presently GOP sells gas at extremely low prices to consumers as it is baloch assets and they are generous to public at cost to balochistan.)

Incidentally a substantially large portion of gas from ONGC is also sold in India at very low prices (less than US$2 at well head, about US$3 delivered). This gas comes from a number of wells at different states- TN/AP/Gujarat/Maharashtra (inland and on seas). Fortunately for us unlike Baloch these people are not fighting rockets in order to increase the gas prices, hope the CMs of these provinces do not read you in Chowk.

Regards

majundar,
its nor so. balochistan once produced the bulk of gas which has increased over time. But gasfields at Sawan and Kadanwari, operated by OMV in Sindh and Qadirpur (OGDC) produce more gas than Sui and Pirkoh Balochistan. There are very big gas reservoirs in Karak (NWFP) while Punjab is supplying most og the gas to uo country.

Saima,

Thanks. Btw could you answer the queries I had addressed to HP sain in #5.

Thanks in advance.

Regards