First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan

#5 Posted by majumdar,

There's also a third very powerful ethnic group there called Brahvis who own practically the entire Baluchistan coastal areas, and large parts of their tribes live in the South Punjab/Sind/Baluchistan bordering towns and closer to Punjabis than Baluch. The Lagharis and the Jamalis are examples, one of whom was the President and the other the Prime Minister in recent times.

Nawab of Kalat Ahmed Yar Khan, the ruler of entire Baluchistan at Partition who acceded to Pakistan, was a Brahvi.

Zee sahib,

I have heard something interesting about the Brahuis. That there language is very similar to the South Indian Dravidians and probably gives credence to the theory that Indus Valley people were Dravidians.

Is this right?

Btw what about the questions in #5, if you can elaborate.

Regards

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Another interesting tidbit. Maulana Abdul-Rashid Ghazi of Lal-Masjid was a Brahvi, from Rojhan Mazari on the Baluchistan-Punjab border.

Zee sahib,

Are you saying that most Brahuis are havayoons by temperament, not kanjaroons.

Regards

Haven't been hearing much action in B'stan these days. What's the matter, the province is quiet now or that faster paced action elsewhere has overshadowed action in B'stan?
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There is a low level insurgency by BLA, mainly to safegaurd the interests of the Baloch Sardars. Recently Balach Marri got killed. The government says he was killed by NATO Forces, but BLA wants to capitalise the incident. It appears the Government is right.
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If I understand right, southern parts of B'stan have a Baluchi majority, northern parts have a Pushtoon majority, is that right? Is there any bad blood or feeling of comptt between the two?
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Balochistan does not totally represent the Baloch stream. Baloch stream itself is divided into three countries ie Seistan in Iran, Farah in Afghanistan and Balochistan in Pakistan. Within Pakistan, there are three divides between those who are the permanent residents. To the South and East are the ethhnic sub continental tribes like the Barohi's, Bheels etc. They are an indigenous descentand not Aryans.Then there are the Rindh Baloch divided into mengals, jatois, bughtis, lagharism jhakaranis and so forth. They are all jats and also contigiuos to Sindh and Punjab and behave like sindies and punjabies. To the North are Pathans who are mostly Durranis sub classed into Salman Khels, Mando Khels, Jogezais, Achakzais, pupalzais, ghaibzais and so forth. They occupy Quetta, Khurasan(Zhob, Muslim bagh etc). Though they are all indiginous, there is sone faultline between Pathans and baloch. However, it is not to an extent that can lead to seperation.
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Where does the political sympathy of B'stan Pathan lie. Is he pro-havayoon like his counterparts in much of NWFP or is he pro-kanjaroon or simply neutral? If pro-havayoon how come he has not joined the insurgency openly like in Swat/W'stan.
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Pathans in Balochistan are all pro Pakistan, Mehmood Khan Achackzai was a socialist aligned to Parcham and Khalq Parties in Afghanistan, but is now a progressive nationalist. You will be surprised that the present format of 14 august celebrations in Pakistan originated in Quetta.
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And what about the Baloch, he is obviously alienated from Pakistan. But does he support the havayoons in NWFP (enemy of my enemy is my friend) or oppose them ('cos of Baloch-Pushtoon rivalry)?
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This is a hypothesis that CIA and Raw wish to happen.

It is really true that Baluch are unfortunate people . They have suffered alot more than anyone else. However during the last 8 years their suffering has been intense. General Musharaf has brutalized them like no one else . He wants to basically dole out Baluch land to officer corps. The land in sind and punjab and seraiki belt is finished. Secondly he wants to create a coastal province for urduspeakers. this is fully evident . Despite all pressures,he went ahead with gawadar port project . MQM minister recently announced that a new port at Gadani will be built . It has been a long standing dream of Urduspeakers to have a separate province/state . Once Gawadar and the coastal belt is colonised the Urduspeakers will be able to separate from rural Sind and create a new country/province.

Having said that ,let me make it clear that people of punjab are against the military operation in baluchistan, the lootsale of land in gawadar . They would whole-heartedly agree to giving baluchistan a greater share of gas royalty . People of punjab are also against setting up of cantonements. It has been the non-punjabi/kashmiri rulers/army chiefs who have done military operations in baluchistan. The first operation was ordered by quaidazam/liaquat ali khan .the second by ayub khan,third ny Zulfi Bhutto,Fourth by General Musharaf. There was no military operation in General Zia's time . It was during his time that the gas was brought to Quetta.General Zia's first act upon taking over was to free all the detained baluch nationalists leaders . He went to Hyderabad where they were jailed and had lunch with them . From 1977 onwards there was peace in baluchistan until Musharaf Dehlvi took over . When the military operation was in full swing,General Musharaf's own lapdogs Shujjat Husain and Mushhaid Husain tried to negotiate peace . They even managed to set up a parlimentry committee to create proposals to appease baluchistan . The committe came up with reccomendations but General Musharaf vetoed them .

Finally gas was first discovered during 1951 in sui. It first went to Karachi , and then much later to punjab . But the Urdu-speakers and MQM FORGET all this . On top of that most of the land that has been bought in Gawadar has been brought by entities from Karachi . Once the port is operational, it will be karachites who will be asked to run it , not punjabis . Lahore is 1500 km away from Gawad while Karachi is only 500 km away . The original population of gawadar is just 3 lacs so within a short time , they will become red-indians. This is the Musharaf/Urdu-speaking plan and punjab has NO ROLE in it .

#18 Posted by majumdar,

I couldn't comment on that because I'm not familiar with the Brahui or Dravidian languages. But in physique, they're all fair-skinned and very sturdily built. I don't know if any Dravidian branch had those physical traits.

Re your # 5, the rebellion is only by the ethnic Baluchi tribes who are mostly settled on the gas resources in central Baluchistan. The Pushtoons who are a vast majority in Quetta and the Iranian border are loyal to Pakistan, as are the Brahuis of the coastal regions. But due to ethnic Baluch have a greater leverage because of the gas resources in their lands.

This rebellion has nothing to do with Taliban sympathy. It is purely for economic reasons. The Pushtoons of Baluchistan are not aligned with Taliban either, and neither are the Brahuis. This is why the rebellion in Baluchistan has far from mass support and the Government has been able to suppress it time and again since the 70s.

Zee sahib/Saima,

Thank you very much.

Regards

Yes, Borohi's and other ethnic tribes in south and East are dravidians. Then there are also Kurdsa and Nergos called Makranis.

Name : Mr Altaf Hussain, MQM Founder Leader
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Zee,

http://balochvoice.com/Pictures/More_Photos/Baloch_children _2.jpg

Do these kids look like Aryans?

These kids?

Arjun,

U are a star.

Yes, these kids that our Zee want to call them Aryans!

There is no central thread in the article which the reader can follow, quited a disjointed piece. Typically there is no mention of India's role without which Bangladesh would even today have been a West Pakistani colony

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As pakistanis our first priority should be to save the lives of our fellow citizens. When no one else but your own state machinery is involved in extrajudicial murders in this day and age then nothing can emphasize the gravity of the situation more. The grammer in this article, the race of baluch, and whether they are dark skinned or fair skinned has absolutely nothing to do with issue. The issue here is the matter of justice and equity.

What is happening to the Special Chinese Economic Zone (SCEZ) in Balochistan? HOw far has it come...there is very little news about it?

Balochistan is in a rather interesting place between Pakistan, Iran and a stone's throw from Saudi, and to this you add the SCEZ (which over which Pakistan has notional sovereignty) and you have a pretty nice volcanic mixture all primed and ready to go.

It appears Pakistan Govt has overplayed its goose stepping hand here.

HP is correct Balochistan id different from SWATand NWFP and FATA. The mixture has a different composition and there are way too many players here.