Where is Ibn-Sina of the 21st Century?

Hamidm,

Don't worry about belittling our religion. I think we ourselves do a better job doing that. I remember my high school teacher (a muslim) taunting us Hindus in the class one day, that we are so disrespectful towards our religion. He asked us to emulate the muslims and christians in showing reverence towards their respective religions. But I think we hindus are too thick skinned to take anything seriously.

It is good to have humorous stories in one's mythology. Ganesha's stories of riding on a rat are funny and I remember every kid reading it laughing. So is Hanuman, pretty much the first superman like character in the world.

But I think the serious side of Hinduism that gets overlooked in this caricature of sorts is captured well by people like Joseph Campbell for the western audience. If you see or read his "The Power of Myth" you'll perhaps appreciate the mythmakers too and understand why they are not prone to crusades.

Adios

Adios

#115 Posted by abu_safwaan, Masadi etc.

Mr. SR's knowledge of Islam is limited to faithfreedom.org, and that's where he wants it to remain - because he's an admitted murtad.

So don't waste your time.

islam saved in the tribal areas

LANDI KOTAL: The Mulla Gori and Zakha Khel tribes in Khyber Agency at a public meeting in Mulla Gori Sherbridge on Friday announced that their women would not be allowed to vote. Tribal elders warned the Election Commission not to set up polling stations for women in their areas, saying they would shut them down. They also warned women not to violate their decision, threatening action in line with tribal traditions.

santani, eklavaya, dost and other horrible hindoos,

.... i don't mean to belittle your 'religion' but it is just too weird for consumption for people of faith who frequent this site .....

......horrible hindooism is a caricature of a religion, something someone high on bhang or mushrooms or some other wild herb made up while on a bad trip ....... look guys, no offense, but your cockamamie stuff about baby-eating goddesses with six arms, rat riding gods with elephant noses and monkey kings with tails on fire, is just too outlandish to take seriously........ sure, we folks might believe in virgins giving birth, angels flying like bats in and out of caves, and old men parting the seas with a swipe of the long staff, but it is still mild stuff compared to your silly tripe ......

.....however, to your credit i have to say that i have yet to meet an educated hindoo who takes his 'religion' half as seriously as people of the book .... maybe they are simply too ashamed to admit that they would rather worship the meat on their plate than eat it, or bottle and refigerate their urine instead of draining it down the urinal, but all the hindoos i have met seem to have a healthy disdain for their silly religion ...... which is a good thing ..... unlike the god crazy christians, jews and muslims, most of you guys seem to have realized that their is no future in this craziness ......

lol, sanatani dada, stukes is all right. First, as we recognize, Brahmins cannot escape the blame for the total mess we got ourselves into (as an aside, didn't brahmins also help invent/impose on us blind liberalism, Nehru being the blindest of them all?). Second, communists and other non-Indians actually aiming to destroy Indian traditions as a whole have considered it necessary to isolate, separate brahmins, the latter having mostly been interested in matters spritual and philosphical. (so you have communist and non-Indian stories of brahmins having gone around slaughtering Buddists and hanging Bhagwan Budhha).

IMHO, no tears are necessary when brahmins are blamed. Baba Sahib ambedkar, for instance, had full right to abuse and blame everyone else - Brahmins most of all. But when communists and other outsiders jump in propagating myths, they must be put in their places. And since these people aim to hurt not only brahmins, this must be a collective Indian effort. Stukes has no ulterior motive.

Abe Kameen,

Tu phir chaloo ho gaya. Last time you wer a proud Hindu now again:

"If anything, it was the Brahmin's iron clad control on Hindu society that led to its self destruction. Today, in India's urban areas, and also in fact in rural, the Brahmin is nothing more than a provider of services. The lower casts (not the Dalits yet, but the Shudars like Jats etc.)"

Why are people like you not greatful for the fact if it were not for the Brahmins Dharam would not have survived. (This is not to whitewash certain wrongs they have done) but the Brahmin is a caste much more sinned against than sinner than any such [definable] class in the world (Please let me know which Brahmin gave a Dharam adhyadesh againt Prathameshwar Guru Nanak for preaching equality) in fact within his Tarunyug Prathameshwar saw a Brahmin being sentenced to death for saying Hinduism and Islam are equal.

What of the Brahmins of Varanasi who gave the sacred knowledge to the 5 Pyaras when Dashameshwar sent them to Varanasi to gain a more insightful knowledge of Dharam and Gyan.

What of the fact that EVEN if we include the Vanvasi Hindus of Jan Nayak Birsa Munda even then % of the number of people hanged/killed by the Brits who were Brahmin was over 50% and excluding the Vanvasis 75%. Overall the Khalsa came next at little over 10% and the Vanvasis at a little under that(all figure appx +_ 2%[this figure HOWEVER MOST EXPLICITLY DOES NOT INCLUDES MADAR DAS GANDHIS BRAVE MOMINS THE MOPLAHS WHO DID A NICE LITTLE JIHAD FOR SWARAJ AGAINST THE HINDUS IN 1921])

And then again using these terms Pakis use like Shoodar? What will u use next Choorha for Dalits?

Sanatani

# 131, stukes is a pretty knowledgeable guy, but sometimes his love for niharis gets the better of him :)

Stukes, Brahmins deserved a lot of blame for weakening Indian society, but they never had any 'iron control.' At best that is a commie myth.

We got balaatkaarred primarily because our diversity got out of control. Internally we could not weed out our mistakes and big problems. Externally we could not recognize and deal with existential threats.

stuka:

"These very words could be used to describe the Brahmin in days gone by. If anything, it was the Brahmin's iron clad control on Hindu society that led to its self destruction"

And when was that? My understanding of the caste system is that the power was shared by the twice-born, i.e., the three upper castes, with Brahmins controlling religious rites, the scholarly pursuits and maybe policies; kshatriyas controlling the military and generally kingdoms and maybe also land while the vaisyas controlled businesses. Indeed, in the Hindu mythologies, like Ramayana and Mahabharta, it is the Kshatriyas, such as Ram and Pandvas who are the heroes while the priests are almost insignificant.

Kulharee, you have brought up something that I have often thought about; this is the lack of new and creative ideas coming from Asia in general.
For desis at least, I believe that this is so because of our inability to challenge our elders as children; this leads to being unable to challenge our teachers as students, or our bosses as workers. A rigid hierachy stifles the growth of the mind. For many researchers, even if they do come up with an idea, it is stolen by the department head or others in a senior position. And I would like to reiterate the importance of being able to commit blasphemy in every way. New ideas do not grow in a vacuum.

Kulharee, you have brought up something that I have often thought about; this is the lack of new and creative ideas coming from Asia in general.
For desis at least, I believe that this is so because of our inability to challenge our elders as children; this leads to being unable to challenge our teachers as students, or our bosses as workers. A rigid hierachy stifles the growth of the mind. For many researchers, even if they do come up with an idea, it is stolen by the department head or others in a senior position. And I would like to reiterate the importance of being able to commit blasphemy in every way. New ideas do not grow in a vacuum.

Re: # 12

http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/20041120_en.html

Re: # 120

Massaddi Mian:

"Because we have discussed that topic 1001 times ..."

Who are we, Massaddi Mian? You cannot even speak for yourself, without abusing others.

Re: # 12
The muslim claims on mathematics and astronomy is basically taken from India (northern and central india).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarv esh/mathematics.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini

Most of these people were non-priest class Brahmins. Moslems has slaughtered these people of northern India. They have destroyed most of the texts. Taxila is the place where language theory and Grammar born.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/devan.nambiar/ayurveda.htm

Most of middle east country were not under external rulers. Neither, these places were plundered, looted and people were killed like whatever happened in northern India.
So, how the culture is lost?

Mr. Masadi
Seriously, you need help before you destroy yourself. You are so full of negativity in your life and responses that it is amazing. Your misplaced arrogance and opinionated self-righteous attitude make you extremely abusive towards one and all. Mr. SR is a well-mannered, intelligent gentleman who always interacts in a dignified manner. Is it your own insecurities and inferiority complex that you always interact in offensive manner?
Please for your own good, seek some help.
Regards

The new age Sunnat and its Jehad!!

I picket this piece of muslim sh!t from the TOI board that is under cyber jehad currently from Pakistanis-

"Islam will rule the world, very soon.
Allah Hu Akbar.
Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU , India and USA is under construction.
To the infidels of the West:
We will fight the infidel to death.
Meanwhile American laws will protect us
Democrats and Leftist will support us
UNO will legitimize us.
CAIR of USA and MCB of UK will incubate us
ACLU will support us
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques in the West will shelter us
OPEC will finance us
Moderate Muslims will fertilize us
Hollywood / Bollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.
Iran and Syria will refuel us
Our children will be our armors.
Not the race, not the color of our skin, not the national origin or the citizenship but the Islam and only Islam binds us.
No major news media republished Mohammad [PBUH] caricature in any major way. That is the proof that first amendment gave way to our Sharia law that prohibits Mohammad’s [PBUH] caricature. Get ready. Sharia law is coming to a town near you.
Western / Indian civilization got to go.
We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will take the advantage of their kindness, gullibility and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back as we did on 9/11 and 7/7 the Islamic way. We will say one thing on the camera (Islam is the religion of peace) and teach another thing (Quran 8:12 Terrorize and behead the infidels wherever you find them) to our children at home.
At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor – this is Islamic way. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”. We know CNN, ABC, CBS, BBC are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire.
We will take over the Europe first and then India anf then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, India and now in the US.
Islam is the fastest growing religion among convicts in prison all over the word. 30% of French prison inmates are already converted to Islam. How are you going to defeat us?
We are partnering with ACLU, Democrats and Liberals, EU-France, CAIR, MCB, ISNA
THE RULES OF THE WAR HAVE CHANGED.
There is new game in town.
Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.
Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)
In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.
At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.
Osama's ROI with respect to:
Life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

This is modern warfare. The West will lose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.
From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, you loses.
Are you sure you want to play this game? "

http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2007/12/12/4839663.aspx

masadi, the fountain of knowledge and mo's annointed interpreter of islam, has declared the saudis apostates....