Where is Ibn-Sina of the 21st Century?

#112 Posted by masadi on December 14, 2007 12:50:49 pm

why isn't this the place to discuss women's rights?

Let's take a simple example. The Saudi ban on women driving. Either it's islamic as per the koran or it's not. If it's not islamic and the saudis are still discriminating against women, doesn't it follow that the saudis, the keepers of mecca, are following unislamic practices?

Bhai shankar... u right to an extent..but even in sunnis there r a lot of ppl who believe that if u have pious ppl (whatever that means) plead on ur behalf than the creator is more responsive..i personally find that insulting to the creator and myself...when Allah swt clearly says in Quran ..if u need anything ask me urself..mullah's r like teachers...when u dont know a subject matter u go to someone who knows it...u should respect em as a teacher but in my opinion no one can really plead ur case like u would ..especially since Allah swt doesnt need u to be eloquent or anything..sincerity is all thats needed

SR Bhai. Don't believe everything that CBN and pat robertson tell u.

1)Its recommended for both men n women to marry Muslims.. Prophet PBUH said that it would be better for u to marry a peasent Muslim girl than to marry a daughter of a non Muslim king.

2) 2 women equal one man ..were for financial matters only in the time when women werent involved in commerce...many of our scholars have said that its something where ijtihaad can take place n this can be looked at.

3)Women inherit half property because women r not responsible for taking care of financial matters of the household, it's man;s responsibility. Whatever a woman own is hers n hers only where as a man has to share whatever he owns with the entire family, his wife n his kids n hes actually responsible for taking care of the expenses..where as women arent..so therefore its to offset that added burden.

It really boils down to what ur intentions r..if u r just looking for flaws in Islam than no matter what I or anyone says ..i m sure u would find a flaw n u'll run with it..but if u r looking to understand Islam sincerely than I can sugest some helpful resources.

Re: # 110 what difference does it make stuka?

Should your attitude change towards me if I am opposite of what you think I am? Should I be as visualised by you?

I will say this (I have said this many times before as well to others in one form or the other, in one context or the other) I am what I am, not what others want me to be!

Let me in on a small secret as well, now we are into this, Masadi is not what Masadi appears to be!

Abu_ji,

thank you

#115 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 14, 2007 3:06:18 pm


many of our scholars have said that its something where ijtihaad can take place n this can be looked at.


taking credit for actions that may or may not happen in the future? That's like giving props to the saudis NOW because the issue of women driving could possibly looked at in the future.


3)Women inherit half property because women r not responsible for taking care of financial matters of the household


So a son is automatically the person responsible for financial matters and the daughter is excluded?

arjun writes "doesn't it follow that the saudis, the keepers of mecca, are following unislamic practices? "

What's so suprising about the Saudis following unislamic practices? And what is so surprising about mecca being under the control of unbelievers? What is totally unsurprising are you dimwitted arguments as well as your bigotry...give it up fool.

arjun writes "why isn't this the place to discuss women's rights?"

1. Discussions on the threads have to revolve around the topic of the article

2. Because we have discussed that topic 1001 times on here and everytime your ignorance has stood out like a flashing strobe on a dark winter night.....

Re: # 109

You mock the possibility of following Sunnat in the modern times!!!

I agree- Sunnat can never be followed in the modern times howsoever hard momins try to create Pak/Pure lands or "Islamic republics".

Modernity is completely in contradistinction to Sunnat ideology - the law of barbarian hallucinating prophet- this indeed is the clash of civilization.

Arjun-da,

The daughter gets half because when she gets married n is living with her husband, its her husbands responsibility to provide for the need of the household, whereas her brother is responsible for his mother n his wife n children...i thought it was self-explanatory with lil room for confusion but than again u r a rock-star.

Its not giving props for something that they'll do in future...there have been fatwas on them already..besides..there isnt a country where sharia is fully implemented anyway..soo its a non-issue today

masadi, the fountain of knowledge and mo's annointed interpreter of islam, has declared the saudis apostates....

The new age Sunnat and its Jehad!!

I picket this piece of muslim sh!t from the TOI board that is under cyber jehad currently from Pakistanis-

"Islam will rule the world, very soon.
Allah Hu Akbar.
Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU , India and USA is under construction.
To the infidels of the West:
We will fight the infidel to death.
Meanwhile American laws will protect us
Democrats and Leftist will support us
UNO will legitimize us.
CAIR of USA and MCB of UK will incubate us
ACLU will support us
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques in the West will shelter us
OPEC will finance us
Moderate Muslims will fertilize us
Hollywood / Bollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.
Iran and Syria will refuel us
Our children will be our armors.
Not the race, not the color of our skin, not the national origin or the citizenship but the Islam and only Islam binds us.
No major news media republished Mohammad [PBUH] caricature in any major way. That is the proof that first amendment gave way to our Sharia law that prohibits Mohammad’s [PBUH] caricature. Get ready. Sharia law is coming to a town near you.
Western / Indian civilization got to go.
We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will take the advantage of their kindness, gullibility and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back as we did on 9/11 and 7/7 the Islamic way. We will say one thing on the camera (Islam is the religion of peace) and teach another thing (Quran 8:12 Terrorize and behead the infidels wherever you find them) to our children at home.
At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor – this is Islamic way. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”. We know CNN, ABC, CBS, BBC are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire.
We will take over the Europe first and then India anf then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, India and now in the US.
Islam is the fastest growing religion among convicts in prison all over the word. 30% of French prison inmates are already converted to Islam. How are you going to defeat us?
We are partnering with ACLU, Democrats and Liberals, EU-France, CAIR, MCB, ISNA
THE RULES OF THE WAR HAVE CHANGED.
There is new game in town.
Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.
Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)
In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.
At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.
Osama's ROI with respect to:
Life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

This is modern warfare. The West will lose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.
From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, you loses.
Are you sure you want to play this game? "

http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2007/12/12/4839663.aspx

Mr. Masadi
Seriously, you need help before you destroy yourself. You are so full of negativity in your life and responses that it is amazing. Your misplaced arrogance and opinionated self-righteous attitude make you extremely abusive towards one and all. Mr. SR is a well-mannered, intelligent gentleman who always interacts in a dignified manner. Is it your own insecurities and inferiority complex that you always interact in offensive manner?
Please for your own good, seek some help.
Regards

Re: # 12
The muslim claims on mathematics and astronomy is basically taken from India (northern and central india).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarv esh/mathematics.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini

Most of these people were non-priest class Brahmins. Moslems has slaughtered these people of northern India. They have destroyed most of the texts. Taxila is the place where language theory and Grammar born.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/devan.nambiar/ayurveda.htm

Most of middle east country were not under external rulers. Neither, these places were plundered, looted and people were killed like whatever happened in northern India.
So, how the culture is lost?

Re: # 120

Massaddi Mian:

"Because we have discussed that topic 1001 times ..."

Who are we, Massaddi Mian? You cannot even speak for yourself, without abusing others.

Re: # 12

http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/20041120_en.html