Feminism Under Veil

And furthermore (re #88)…

Apparently Imam Hanifa (699-767) was born some 67 years after the Prophet’s death. This puts his adulthood about 100 years after the Prophet’s death. One century is a long time. A lot can be said, forgotten, changed, twisted, fabricated over a 100 years. Don’t forget that Shia sect had split well within this period … and Ali and Ayesha went to war against each other after merely 30 years of the Prophet's demise.

No wonder Bukhari ended up discarding 99% ahadith he had originally compiled … since they could not be verified. But there’s more. Here’s a link to miracles of Prophet (pbuh) as recorded in Bukhari. Apparently, the Prophet (pbuh) multiplied food, water flowed from his fingers, his companions were guided by magical lamps, he made trees weep …and more.

Now, you may believe all this and that’s fine. But don’t be surprised if others fail to take you seriously. Just a thought ...

Re: # 189

Hamidm sahib:

After reading what you posted, I have some questions.

Why is it that people who are in heaven are allowed to do things with 72 virgins for example, if they did it here they will end up hell?

Is there are traffic between Heaven and Hell, a traffice for example that may be based on promotion or demotion.

If there is, then why this traffic by-passes the Earth, otherwise would there not be endless cycle of rebirth?

Why there are different laws for hell, Earth and heaven? Why even send people to hell or heaven, afterall they are here on the Earth too. Why not?

Are these too many and too wrong questions to ask?

urstruly,

... you want an original tafseer? ... okay, name the surah and i will give it to you in less than thirty minutes - that's about all it should have taken any half-literate person to write the original .........

.....look mian, if you approach the book as an objective reader you will realize that it is nothing but gobbeldygook that could have been dreamed up by any sadhu or religious shyster high on bhang or charas .........

Re #181:

Read your own post carefully. Note that the manuscript in question was probably only a part (or all) of Surah Ta Ha. And yet it was treated as “The Book” … since Umer was asked to be physically clean! Do you get it now??

In essence, a few verses and/or chapters of Quran, whether recorded on animal skin, or cloth, or leaves … constitute the “Book”. This is consistent with meanings of “kitab” I had earlier suggested (#179).

Furthermore, “clean” may apply to purity of intentions as well and you have been unable to show otherwise. Your original point - that Quran was compiled by Holy Prophet (pbuh) in his lifetime - is further undermined by your latest post. Once again, I appreciate your help (grin).

Re: # 189

Hamidm sahib:

This is shorter than my Shastri ji and Swami ji wanted me to read.

Yes hamidm we know that you have programmed the F2 and F4 keys of your keybord with these posts which you have been posting for years now. Thank you for your interest but I am really bored with this endless recycling of yours. yaawn.

Re: # 187

anil mian,

please refer to my tafseer-i-koran which was published on chowk during the holy month of ramadhan ..... here is a sample :


converstion part III

allah mian: Alif Lam Mim.

hamidm: here we go again !......... this is getting really aggravating .... stop it!

allah mian: Allah, (there is) no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist

hamidm: now don`t get too cocky ........what about vishnu and all his avatars - are they chopped liver .? ........ and if you are so darn self-subsisting why do you want me to bang my head on the ground five times a day ?

allah main: He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.

hamidm: ...... oh, please ..... stop talking in the third person again - are you a schizo or what ? ........ and why can`t you do anything right the first time around ?...... maybe you need a better ghost writer instead of that lazy lout gabby ......

allah mian: Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.

hamidm: ..... there you go again - threatening and posturing like a school yard bully ...... and mian ji, you have severe communication problems because people have a hard time understanding your incoherent gibberish - you sound like one of those nba players .......

allah mian: Allah-- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven.

hamid : we are really full of ourself, arn`t we ?! ......now tell me, how many fingers i am holding behind my back ?

allah mian: He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He likes; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise

hamidm: allright, all right, i get it ... now move on ........ and as for shaping things in the womb, it is clear that you are pretty bad at it ........ it seems to be a hit and miss thing - tom cruise one day, masadi the next ........ anyway, i have to run now - it is a beautiful day and i`d rather be sitting in the sun sipping on a mohito instead wasting my time trying to understand your mind ........

Scout_new) #161

Are you the same scout who started a complete thread where she accused the Holy Prophet (PBUH) of being a pedophile (Nauzbillah, Aztaghfirullah, Lahore Vilayet Kuwait)?

Don't forget that this same scout had said that hijabi girls were easy and could be laid without much effort.

Re: # 184

Hamidm Sahib:

Can you please put here or email me the heavily marked parts of the book you are describing here. I am very interested in reading what you have marked. Although, I do not waste time in reading books that fall in religions class. My teachers used to get very angry that a person can be such ******, and still excel in other subjects. Now I take this as a badge of honor, then I almost wanted to become a fanatic pundit, just to prove them wrongs. I mastered Sanskrit, read Panini and gave up those teachers - called Shastri jees, and Swami jees.

Hamidm2, I like your humorous and witty posts and your view point in general. But, don't you think you go overboard sometimes in making your point?

... for all i care, the hijabans can run around naked with nothing but the hijab on their heads ....... what bothers me is the fact that like the long shaggy beard, the turban, the mark of the devil on the forehead, the above the ankle shalwar and the ak-47, the hijab is a symbol of this monstrous ideology that threatens civilization ........

Re: # 181

urstruly mian,

..... a book is a book is a book ..... if it is a good book it should be able to stand on its own credentials ..... all these silly cleansing rituals have been created by priests, prophets and other charlatans to awe the unwashed masses into believing that the book is what it is not ....

.......claiming that it is the word of god and when challenged to prove their claim, turining around and challenging the challenger to produce something to match its 'beauty', is the silliest thing i have ever heard ! ........maybe beauty lies in the eye of the beholder but in this case the beholder is obviously blind as a bat ........ mo's book is poorly wriiten, rhetorical, full of contradictions, without any head or tail and yet you are supposed to wash your butt before handling it - why?

.... anyway, my heavily highlighted and underlined copy of this bedouin masterpiece sits between george carlin and ibn waraq .... and i have not been struck by lightening .... yet ....

Nikhat,

If you want to cover yourself then that fine. If that liberates you then that is fine as well. The issue becomes critical when you force your ideals on others. There could be women of Muslim faith who would like to dress like other women in their surroundings. Would you agree to take away their freedom to wear what they want?

Similarly, Non-Muslim women may want to wear what they think is appropriate in Middle Eastern countries. How many countries do you think will allow that?

Re: # 158 Posted by HP on December 17, 2007 9:35:10 pm

[If the whole purpose of Hijab is to cover the hair and ears, then why can't girls just wear a cap or a hat that can cover the hair and ears? Is covering neck a requirement too? Why do girls need a scarf to do things that a hat can do?]

I have seen a "hijabi" women, who usually comes to workout in short sleeves showing half her naked arms and forearms, and her trainer who happens to be a man, is looking at her rather intensely to correct her work out routine.

Is this what a "hijabi" women should be doing?

Re: # 179

Perhaps the chronological background of the Chapter "The Inevitable(56) will help you understand that there is no metaphorical meaning of the word "clean" in the said verses.

"According to the chronological order that Hadrat Abdullah bin Abbas has given of the Surahs, first Surah Ta Ha was sent down, then Al-Waqi'ah and then Ash-Shu`ara'(Suyuti: Al-Itqan). The same sequence has been reported from Ikrimah (Baihaqi: Dala'il an Nubuwwat).

This is supported also by the story that Ibn Hisham has related from Ibn Ishaq about the affirmation of the Faith by Hadrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him). It says that when Hadarat Umar entered his sister's house, Surah Ta Ha was being recited. Hearing his voice the people of the house hid the pages of the Qur'an. Hadrat Umar first seized his brother-in-law and then his sister rose in defense of her husband, he hit her also and wounded her on the head. When Umar saw blood on his sister, he was sorry for what he had done, and said to her: "Show me the manuscript that you have concealed so that I may see what it contains." The sister said: "You are unclean because of your polytheism: wa anna-hu la yamassu-ha ill-at-tahir: "Only a clean person can touch it." So, Hadrat Umar rose and washed himself, and then took up the manuscript to read it. This shows that Sarah Al-Waqi'ah had been sent down by that time for it contains the verse: La yamassu hu ill al mutahharun; and it had been established historically that Hadrat Umar embraced Islam after the first migration to Habash, in the fifth year of the Prophethood.

#178 Tahmed32

Your wish is my command, sir!

Strike out "from the same stock"!

Substitute with "from the same Stork"!