Feminism Under Veil

#153, #154,

Dear gentle hindu interactors and friends bj koomar and kaal CHAKRA ;) ,

You have to be kidding me. So a bunch of fundoos are praying a university room. BTW almost every university I have visited has a meditation room. Sometimes it even has different rooms for different religions.

So you are afraid that these guys are going to take over America? hahahhahahahah

Well then, we don't need the bigots and the white supremacists and the neo cons anymore. The prejudice of my own gentle brown hindu friends will do my fellow muslims in.

Great and well researched article..please write more. Thanks.

nikhat,

a few things....it's easy to fall under the spell of impractical idealism at your age, i'm guessing from your bio you're in your early twenties? i'm glad wearing the hijab is working out so well for you, but, my dear, i'm afraid you're romanticizing it a bit too much, NO, the hijab does not prevent rape and violence against women, i have witnessed fully clothed, hijabed, chaddored women in Karachi harrassed by lascivious men, if your claim was true, that hijab, that covering would protect them, but that's just not the case....

to me, the hijab is strictly, a religious garment which certain Muslim women wear for personal Islamic reasons, as long as it's an individual religious decision, there is nothing wrong with it....

problems arise when hijabis feel moral and religious superiority over non-hijabis and start sermonizing which you are doing, albeit veiled in this 'feminism' angle

you seem like a smart woman, i hope you grow out of this 'i'm-invincible-because-i'm-a-hijabi' phase, don't get me wrong, wear it with conviction, for your religion, for your personal comfort, and that's about it

Amazing. You know, a lot of things we logically expect, but when they actually happen, we still are amazed!

Yes, somali women do have those features, and seem pretty competent at the work they do. Did you check out the Mall of America in Bloomington? Have they taken over that too? Probably not yet.

#157 Posted by Eklavya

No, NO, I am not pulling leg or any thing like that. That is what I actually observed. Seems like Somalians women share features and softness and some beauty with the Ethiopian women.

I just have couple of questions for Nikhat bibi.

If the whole purpose of Hijab is to cover the hair and ears, then why can't girls just wear a cap or a hat that can cover the hair and ears? Is covering neck a requirement too? Why do girls need a scarf to do things that a hat can do?

HP, don't know if you are just pulling my leg, but I personally will not be surprised if Minneapolis is on its way to becoming a Somali city. :)

#155 Posted by Eklavya
Funny! I am in a Hotel downtown Minneapolis(crown plaza) right now and will be here until Wednesday afternoon. Downtown by the Govt plaza is where I spent the day. People are really nice the hotel Shuttle driver took me to several places to find the right drink for me.

I have never seen so many hijab in one city before. Seems like the whole city is owned by Somalians and their hijabs are every where. From airport to downtown, Somalians and Hijab is every where.
I have never seen so much enthusiasm for a football game either. Last night the hotel was taken over by the people from Chicago and the downtown this evening was taken over by the Viking fans. I am glad the game is over. Had a great massage at Mall of America. The Israeli girl running a cosmetic kiosk in the mall was actually looking for some fun for money unbelievable.

For those who may not have lived in the Midwest, Minnesotans are the softest, and bloomingtonians the worst of them.

They deserve everything they get.

ts, it's probably not 10 or 12 'fundoos.' Did you get that number from somewhere? If so, apologies.

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I have no symapthy for Minnesotans and share ts's disdain for non-Muslims who may be inconvenienced, offended, denied access by "10 or 12 fundoos."

Minnesotans went out of their way, bent over backward to invite - yes, invite - many of these Muslims.

The softest are always eaten first. And only a total fool would shed tears for them. TS and I surely don't.

#152 Hurricane

How many individuals did it require to bring about 9/11?

It is the mindset, stupid!

#151

yes the 10 or 12 fundoos are gonna take over the US. watch out. Man the torpedoes. Ready the cannons....the fundoos are here, the fundoos are here

Islamofascism comes to minnesota

Katherine Kersten: Normandale's 'meditation room' is home to a single faith

By Katherine Kersten, Star Tribune

Last update: December 16, 2007 - 8:53 PM

Last week, I visited a Muslim place of worship. A schedule for Islam's five daily prayers was posted at the entrance, near a sign requesting that shoes be removed. Inside, a barrier divided men's and women's prayer space, an arrow informed worshippers of the direction of Mecca, and literature urged women to cover their faces.

Sound like a mosque?

The place I'm describing is the "meditation room" at Normandale Community College, a 9,200-student public institution in Bloomington.

Until recently, the room was the school's only usable racquetball court. College administrators converted the court into a meditation room when construction forced closure of the previous meditation room.

A row of chest-high barriers splits the room into sex-segregated sections. In the smaller, enclosed area for women sits a pile of shawls and head-coverings. Literature titled "Hijaab [covering] and Modesty" was prominently placed there, instructing women on proper Islamic behavior.

They should cover their faces and stay at home, it said, and their speech should not "be such that it is heard."Nikhat...are you listening?

"Enter into Islaam completely and accept all the rulings of Islaam," the tract read in part. "It should not be that you accept what entertains your desires and leave what opposes your desires; this is from the manners of the Jews."

"[T]he Jews and the Christians" are described as "the enemies of Allaah's religion." The document adds: "Remember that you will never succeed while you follow these people."

A poster on the room's door advertised a local lecture on "marriage from an Islamic perspective," with "useful tips for marital harmony from the Prophet's ... life." Other fliers invited students to join the Normandale Islamic Forum, or participate in Ramadan celebrations.

One thing was missing from the meditation room: evidence of any faith but Islam. No Bible, no crucifix, no Torah.

Normandale's administration is facilitating the room's Islamization. The college's building crew erected the barrier separating men's and women's sections, according to Ralph Anderson, dean of student affairs. College officials also posted signs at the room's entrance asking students to remove shoes -- a Muslim custom before prayers. This was "basically a courtesy to Muslim students," Anderson said.

Despite the room's Islamic atmosphere, Anderson says it "is open to everyone."

Why is the meditation room segregated by sex? "Muslim students prefer that areas be divided into male and female," he said. "Other students don't care."

Doesn't sex-segregation present a constitutional problem in a public educational institution? "I don't want to comment on that," he said.

And the literature regarding Jews and Christians? "I would probably take it out if I knew it was in there," said Anderson.

Normandale's zealous effort to accommodate Muslim students is not new. Chad Lunaas, a former student who works at the college part time, cites examples.

Last year on Fridays, he says, he often entered the bathroom to find that "every sink and toilet stall had someone washing his feet." Other students couldn't use the bathroom at these times, and those who tried felt awkward.

Lunaas finally expressed his concerns to a Muslim student who "seemed to be in charge."

"His attitude was, 'We don't have to listen to you, we can do whatever we want,' " he said.

Confrontations also erupted in the sex-segregated meditation room, according to Lunaas. "Muslim students just took it over. They made people who were not of the Muslim religion feel very uncomfortable, especially if they were female."

One female student tried to use the room when Muslim students were in it, said Lunaas. "She believed she should be treated equally. They were telling her to leave, to take off her shoes, to go to the other side of the divider."

Anderson says he met several times with concerned students. But "the whole thing was just basically swept aside," according to Lunaas.

Nikhat
“Does the rule of ‘Hijab’ (a scarf covering the head) suppress or liberate women’s individuality?”
Your definition , quoted above, of Hijab under present usage of the word is correct. But the following quote of yours is terms of the above definition is totally wrong if you mean that God has ordered women (in Quran) to wear the head scarf.
“So Muslim ladies follow the words of Allah and practice Hijab as simple as that”.God does NOT say that in the Book.
It is a requirement of Muslim “Church” and enforced by its “Priests”, along with cultural and traditional practices of many countries and other churches too.
You are confusing the two!
Rashid

abu goatbrain: why aren't you wearing a long ankle length robe like your pedo-prophet?



In much of the Arab world, symbols of extreme observance are fairly standard and tend to stem from the conservative religious cultures of Persian Gulf nations, like Saudi Arabia. There is the long beard. In extreme cases men wear a loose-fitting robe that stops at their ankles, just as the prophet Muhammad wore his own gown at ankle length.

Mohar,

Please do ignore Mr. Hamza,

According to his Islam, it is appropriate to insult people of other religions. Very islamic behavior, indeed!