Feminism Under Veil

Again, I would emphasize that you, Mr. AbuSafwaan read things carefully. I never called that women ugly! you thought that all on your own.

I only said, that she looks ridiculous in hijab!

If you want to attack my looks, thats perfectly fine.

Just goes to show how truly Islamic you are!

Your akhlaq is so exemplary that the Prophet Muhammad would be proud!

Calling someone ridiculous looking is a compliment? Is this twilight zone?

Re: # 25 Posted by hamidm2 on December 17, 2007 5:16:37 am

[........ when a crow flies over the tribal areas in pakistan it keeps one wing on its behind ......]

Maybe the crow does not wear a veil, huh! Why single out the tribal areas? Do you think the crow feels safe while flying over any muslim land?

Okay, My dear!

I never claimed to be an expert on Islamic jurisprudence, but I do have a degree in Religious Studies with a focus on Islamic studies. Although its true its an education that taught me to look critically at my own religion rather than follow it blindly like students of Al Azhar!

My mother is a highly educated woman. She is a very good Muslim woman as well. Where does it say in the Quran to wear Hijab!

As far as Hadith is concerned, most of it is suspect anyways because it has been postulated that for all the hundred of thousands of hadith attributed to our prophet, he must have been busy speaking non stop all his life and also in his sleep.

And there is one thing I know about wise men like Muhammad. They all dont say very much.

As far as fiqh is concerned, why would I follow the rules of an Imam born ten centuries ago. YOu are welcome to indulge in your stoneage version of Islam.

I am free to interpret Islam as I choose. For on the day of judgement , you and I will be infront of Allah responsible for our actions just the same.

How about we let Allah decide!

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Re: # 48 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 17, 2007 9:04:01 am

[....she has religious scripture n sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) on her side to have the opinion all u have is nostalgia.....]

No, she has only her interpretation of the religious scripture, and it is only her interpretation. But, how would you know?

If having a choice with covering one's head with a dupatta or wearing the hijab, I think I would say that hijab does make people look ridiculous whether it is sixty five year old women or 5 year old girls.

Ridiculous is not the same as Ugly.

Perhaps when you come out of that twilight zone, Mr AbuSafwaan, you might want to invest in a good dictionary and thesaurus. Perhaps, then you would understand what people are really saying rather than putting your words in their mouths based on your poor understanding of the English language vocabulary.

Hazoor_e_Wallah!
Eik Adad Angrezi zuban ki Lughat kharideye.

Re: # 24

Hamidm sahib:

"......... just because some blacks bought into the idea of being house-niggers does not make it right ..... "

Some African-Americans still do and are happy. Can you not cut some slack form Muslim-Women, who, as Nikhat does, quote the authority of Allah's words?

Here is what I find interesting and I gave raised this question many times without anyone biting....what is it about Quran that is so easier for you to take it as God's word but when it comes to Hadith n sunnah rite away. Did God come to all of you personally and revealed Quran or is there a recorded DVD of Prophet (PBUH) where he recited the whole Quran....i agree some hadits r fabricated and this a science on which even western universities have phd courses.....but we rec'd Quran thru the same hands that delivered us the sahih hadith....reason we accept Quran without a shadow of doubt as God's word revealed to Prophet PBUH and than passed on to us thru honorable sahaba (RAW)....when we accept the same chain or narration for Surah-e-Baqara why wouldnt we the same chain of narration for bukhari n muslim?

And one more thing, Mr. Abu Safwaan,

You insult my family and me, and then end it with, with all due respect ofcourse!

Your standards of respect certainly confound my sensibilities, but hey thats you. What can I say!

The only thing that women who wear hijab have on their side is their choice to do so! I recognize only one scripture called the Quran, and where does Quran tell you to wear the hijab like that stupid scarf wound tightly around your head and neck?

Please do find me the exact Ayah where the Quran, "The only divinely revealed Islamic Scripture" says that Hijab is mandatory for women? and a law?

And if so, does the Quran define Hijab and say what it is, andhow big the piece of cloth should be,and how it should be worn?

Please dont tell me of any hadith, I only want proof from the Quran.

Shore is there a possibility that some of us can find the flabby gutt hanging out from over the hill aunties in there saries more ridiculous...rnt we quibbling over semantics now...duppata on head is happening but God-awful hijaab which in essence is dupatta on head is ridiculous....

The only reason we accept the Quran an unadulterated is because we choose to place our faith in Allah. And if Allah says that He/she alone will protect the Quran.

"Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9"



"Falsehood shall not come to it, from before it, nor from behind it - a revelation from the wise, the praiseworthy One". Q41:42

"Do they not meditate on the Qur'ran? if it were from other than God they would find in it many a discrepancy". Q4:82


Allah makes no such promises about the Hadith!

Wow...i think either u r avoiding the question on purpose or u didnt get it...i know wat Quran says...my question is how do u know if thats in fact wat Allah swt reveaaled to prophet (PBUH)....we dont have videotape of Prophet PBUH? U r trusting a chain of narrators....how come u r rejecting the same lineage for hadith? If these ppll were so evil that they would fabricate and associate sayings to prophet PBUH that he didnt make..wat stopped them from lying on Allah swt's behalf...if this was just an agenda from sahaba woulldnt they have just included the hadiths as part of Quran?

Re: # 46 Shore Sahib your inference is again wrong what to say about "comprehension abilities". You are correct as far as 'Law of Hijab is a Quranic Law' goes but how did you 'logically infer' that I was pronouncing other women who are not practicing it as lesser Muslims. Many women of my family donot practice Hijab in its strict sense. I made a deliberate choice for it. I was not promoting it and from the last para of my article if u infer me advocating Hijab then u r wrong again because I was addressing Muslim ladies who practice Hijab to practice 'Feminism', not to just sit in their homes but be an active member of society and work for other poor, crushed women irrespective of religion or race.
Nikhat Riaz

Actually the Quran was compiled during the reign of the Third Rightly guided Caliph Uthman Ghani, in its present format.

I think you didnt understand my answer. I have answered it satisfactorily in the previous post. We, Muslims choose to believe in the Quran and its infallibility is because of God's promise.

There is no compulsion in religion, and we choose to place our faith in Allah. We choose to believe what we believe.

The greatest rift in Islam that of between Shia and Sunni is because of only one hadith. The Shia t Ali believed it, the Sunnis did not! But each is as much Muslim as the other. Just like a woman wearing hijab is as much muslim as the one that chooses not to.

Re: # 15

Nikhat beti:

There has been a murder committed by a father in Canada on this Hijab. Obviously, Hijab brings passions out, and affects emotions of others in the society beyond the confines of a Hijabee.

You have failed to talk about the Hijabers.

It seems you are ready to accept controls, in the name of Allah, put on Hijabee. I thought in your article there was no need to rationalize the edicts of the passages that you attribute to Allah, in favor of Hijab.

Would you not say that by comparing Allah's words with the statistics of lesser people is dangerous at the very least, and degrades the power of Allah's words?

You may like to give some thought about the relationship of Hijab with Hijabers, from whom you are claiming it protects. Do you think an argument can be made that Hijab makes these Hijabers enforcers and high on desire and lust due to deprivation?

I can see Hijab in personal relationship with Hijabee as the personal statement. Instead of leaving it there, aren't you trying to make it societal?

I would say that you should come out and denounce that father who murdered his daughter. Such Hijabers are the problem that society should something about, would you not agree?