The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga

@85- I could not help myself wondering at the definition of sunnah of the Prophet(essentials of all Religions and Church/Priests dogma).
-All sorts of people before and after Muhammad kept beard in those days and even now.
-Abu Jahel and Abu Lahab and others, ardent enemies of Muhammad kept beards.
-Shaving with rusty knives, broken piece of glass etc must have been pain full and traumatic to say the least. (Even with Mach Five razors it is a chore today. For this reason people even kept long hairs on their heads)

Nah kuch sikhaa nah jaana nah phechaana
Faqat dhaari barha kar bangaye maulaana!
Rashid

stuka i condemn both as well...but fact on grounds remains the same

"Stuka...please spare me the rhetoric...u r a smart guy so dont give me this bullshit about Islamic tradition u approve n disapprive of otherwise i'll be forced to bring some of ur noble traditions of mother burning n cow-piss drinkin..."

Excuse me? You bring up the fact that not eating beef is retarded, but are defending slaughtering live animals on the street. A BAN on eatig beef by the government is retarded; voluntarily not shoosing to eat it is not retarded. Same goes for eating pork. You may CHOOSE to not eat pork, banning my eating it is retarded.


"n its utter bullshit that cows cant be slaughtered in residential areas in indida cause of hygenic issues...r u fukkin kiddin me....have u ever been 2 india....they would let ppl shit in the middle of the street n take ppl bath in cow-piss in the middle of the road but god-forbid someone slaughters a cow....sell crazy somewhere else boss"

Which residential areas are you talking about? Try cutting a goat in Defence Colony and watch getting your ass kicked. You are deliberately distorting what I am saying. I said that beef is not readily available...as in I went to Dunkin Donuts in Lahore and could not order a bacon egg and cheese sandwich either. However, beef is available in Muslim ghettos and in luxury restaurants. Take your pick. Yes, the definition of "human rights" evolve..as in the German definition of "human rights" from the years of 1933 to 1945 were somewhat different relative to today. That does not mean there is a free pass...it means it is up to our conscience to accuse or defend a value system we see fit. You can apply your consideration of the majority will to both the Sudan of today and the Germany of 1939. I can choose to condemn both as evil. Nobody is saying democracy cannot be evil. It is better than alternatives; but it is not perfect.

LOOP: Did you know that by reducing Islam to a fashion-statement you are revealing your own inability to understand the simple and profound message of the Quran?

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salim chauhan do you know that its sunnah to keep the beard.. so these men you have a dislike for are atlest following the sunnah.. while you i presume are shaving off yours everyday contrary to the sunnah..
so if anyone should defend the prophet and his religion it should be those men in caves and god help us; never you!!!

i just scrolled down and reread--- kamath is the one who owns a dust ridden teddy.. are you sure its dust ridden or just exhausted with play??

i just scrolled down and reread--- kamath is the one who owns a dust ridden teddy.. are you sure its dust ridden or just exhausted with play??

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Stuka...please spare me the rhetoric...u r a smart guy so dont give me this bullshit about Islamic tradition u approve n disapprive of otherwise i'll be forced to bring some of ur noble traditions of mother burning n cow-piss drinkin...i dont wanna have 'my religion is better than urs' debate here...all's i was saying was that one people's human right is another people's pet-peeve. Who decides what is a human right...for americans its a human right for a woman to dance buck naked if thats what she chooses to do...if there was a country where people like ur father were in majority they wouldnt consider that a human right for his daughters ....america was still considered a democracy when they made blacks sit in the back of the bus...definitions of human rights change from society 2 society n u know it....things that they can do now under patriot act would be considered barbaric in german or swiss democracy...there is no cookie-cutter democracy...

n its utter bullshit that cows cant be slaughtered in residential areas in indida cause of hygenic issues...r u fukkin kiddin me....have u ever been 2 india....they would let ppl shit in the middle of the street n take ppl bath in cow-piss in the middle of the road but god-forbid someone slaughters a cow....sell crazy somewhere else boss

I am so happy. Now may be terrorism in India will abate. So happy. Really

#77 - Tamashah Saab, with all due respect, is it generally believed by the people who are generally believed to be idiots by the civilized world? Or did you just pull this out of your backside?

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You should have asked the bear also.

Btw, it is generally believed that some names, Mohd, Ahmad, Habeeb, etc., were specifically assigned to the Arabian prophet by Allah. As it is, why should these names be used by every Dick and Harry and above all by the Ahmadies who are not allowed to call themselves Muslims even by the 'Fatwa' constitution of Pakistan.

I am glad Taimur Lung did not have Muhammad in his infamous name -- otherwise they would have stoned his mother for calling him Lung.

"Stuka, Is it illegal by law of the land to slaughter cow in india? If yes how fuckin retarded is it...n if it werent for the majority would it be possible...my argument is not whether it is RIGHT to give the majority a right to legislate what they deem appropriate for their society...i m saying thats what democracy is..once u cut the bullshit of equal rights n shit for minorities...patriot act is law not because its fair for all citizens ..its cause thats what the majority wants "

Abu Safwan, your understanding of democracy is about as deep (or shallow) as Neembu's understanding of anything. First, a democracy can exist only if there is a basic undrstanding of human rights which are universal. To answer your question, it is illegal to slaughter a cow in some places. And no it is not retarded. You cannot slaughter a cow in a residential area. You cannot slaughter a goat in the same area either. Because it is a matter of hygiene. If anything, I find the Islamic tradition of slaughtering cows and sheep in the fricking street rather retarded. That too is illegal but like most illegal things, gets overlooked in India. In any case, the consumption of beef is legal..and so is the production in desiganted areas. Due to cultural and religious reasons, beef is not readily available out of Muslim ghettoes, but that is different from it being illegal. Also, the ban on eating beef is no more or less retarded than eating pork. Again, slaughter of pigs is legal..most Hindus are not pork eaters either..hence you will mostly get chicken or mutton. Anyways, moving away from ridiculous dietary discussions...

To your point, if Hindus were to legislate the deprivation of voting power for Muslims, would that be democracy? Per your definition yes, and per mine no.

Dear Hammad Siddiqi:

Congratulations for your excellent skills as an apologist for stupid and barbaric practices of followers of Islam in Sudan, supposedly a dar-ul-Islam- a mini Islamic Paradise in modern times!

You may like to know that there are millions of Muslims who are liers, thugs, cheats, torturers, rapists, criminals, mrderers, cutthroats etc. ( these phenomena exists in all societies too) But, but, all these men carry the name Muhammad. Have you heard of Mohammad Atta and his gang of murderers does it ring a bell? How about Mohammad-bin-Tughluk? and so on!!

What then Muslims did in the past and should do now ?What do you do with these Muhammads?

Here the name Muhammad was chosen by the children and not by the teacher Mrs. Gibbons who I suppose was surrounded by ever present informers and squealers. Mrs. Gibbons went to Sudan not to steal but to teach- a noble profession indeed.

Is this a sample of Sharia justice? First you go after the accused - punish first and not bother about investigation about the real truth? Punish the victim if necssary by seeking the help of frenzied Islamic street mobs?

BTW, I might remove the old dusty teddy bear from the closet in our home and name it Muhammad. Any objections by real Muslims, moderate Muslims and fundamentalist Muslims?

Kamath