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The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga

Hammad Siddiqi December 4, 2007

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#57 Posted by Urstruly on December 7, 2007 10:16:09 am
Re: # 56

I don't understand your question
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#56 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 10:10:45 am
Re: # 55

truly ji,

Assume there was a mens -rea. What do you suggest then??
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#55 Posted by Urstruly on December 7, 2007 10:06:30 am
Re: # 52

I also think that it was an inncoent mistake on part of the lady teacher. The Sudanese courts should have established the motive or intent first. That also goes with several opportunities to recant before delivering its verdict. In other words the spirit of law establishes that the punishment for blasphemy is only given to those who are found to be repeat offenders or those who refuse to recant.
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#54 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 10:03:13 am
Re: # 52

Naqshu,

Assume that the lady wanted to disparage Mohammad.......so would you like her to be flogged and stoned to death???
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#53 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 10:01:35 am
Re: # 51

"La ilaha il Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah [sal Allahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam] is the absolute Truth. "

Naqshu,

Does it ever strike to you that the words "absolute truth" is another self boasting and self advertising expression.
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#52 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 7, 2007 9:40:08 am
I do think though that this lady committed an innocent mistake and did not mean to disparage The Praised One, may my parents be his ransom! It was all a misunderstanding whipped up by an increasingly islamophobic Western media and not helped by the naivity of Muslims either.

Of course, the Islamic punishment for anyone who belittles the Habib is death but I don't think any traditional Islamic court would have found her guilty. Allah and His Messenger know best.
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#51 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 7, 2007 9:37:13 am
laddu
La ilaha il Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah [sal Allahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam] is the absolute Truth.

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#50 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 7, 2007 9:36:03 am


There is no one more dear to us Muslims than the person of Holy Prophet (pbuh). Our belief cannot be complete unless he becomes more dear to us than our own selves, our children, our family, our wealth, and anything that this world has to offer. This standard is established by God and His Prophet themselves.


The truest words ever written on Chowk. Subhan Allah.
Ardent love of The Beloved Prophet is Islam.
Anyone whose heart does not contain this love is not a Muslim whatever the label.

As Iqbal said,
"Aabru-ye maa zi naam e Muhammad ast!"
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#49 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 9:13:57 am
"La illaha il-Allah...."

Does it strike to you that it is the most self-boasting of all the messages..like the ads that get flashed all the time on TV screens."the first...", "the best...", "the greatest...." ???
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#48 Posted by tahmed32 on December 7, 2007 9:08:12 am
#45 urstruly: And I assume you are God's personal psychologist who knows about his likes and dislikes. And if you wish to do what God likes, why you are writing in the internet equivalent of a big mouth - in capital letters?

And dont avoid the truth in what I said by hiding behind an irrelevant Quranic verse. If you truly respected the Quran, you would not misuse its words so easily. Mend your ways, like I said.
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#47 Posted by tahmed32 on December 7, 2007 9:07:08 am
#45 urstruly: And I assume you are God's personal psychologist who knows about his likes and dislikes. And if you wish to do what God likes, why you are writing in the internet equivalent of a big mouth - in capital letters?

And dont avoid the truth in what I said by hiding behind an irrelevant Quranic verse. If you truly respected the Quran, you would not misuse its words so easily. Mend your ways, like I said.
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#46 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 9:06:52 am
Re: # 45

"We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs...."

words like "clear proof", "greatest", "knows all" ..... etc. are all "boasting".

By your logic the message itself is self boasting. You disprove your contention by your own logic!!

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#45 Posted by Urstruly on December 7, 2007 8:55:43 am
Re: # 43

GOD DOES NOT LIKE BIG MOUTHs.

As you will see below, God does not like big mouths for the reason that they are stingy. One would wonder how can a big mouth be stingy? This is because a big mouth thinks that it is he himself who knows everything and he refuses to give credit to those who deserve it. Our credit is due to God and to His Prophet. The proof is in La illaha il-Allah o, Mohammad ur Rasoolullah. There is No God but Allah and Mohammad (pbuh) is his prophet. You have to have belief in both otherwise you are munafique and stingy.

Here read and learn

The Iron 57:22-25

Anything that happens on earth, or to you, has already been recorded, even before the creation. This is easy for GOD to do. Thus, you should not grieve over anything you miss, nor be proud of anything He has bestowed upon you. GOD does not love those who are arrogant boasters. They are stingy, and enjoin the people to be stingy. If one turns away, then GOD is the Rich, the Praiseworthy.

We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice. And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for GOD to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. GOD is Powerful, Almighty.



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#44 Posted by rf786 on December 7, 2007 8:38:36 am
Dear Writer,

How can you praise that genocidal murderer Omer Al Basher, and that too for commuting a idiotic sentence under his patronage. Had it been some brownie or dark skinned catholic, Omer Al Basher wud have not shown the same compassion.

We Mohammedans enjoy making nobodies into international heroes and in turn bring a religious ideology into dis-repute. Now I wonder why would that be the case? Maybe its the message that is warped? Or, is it some genetic issue?
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#43 Posted by tahmed32 on December 7, 2007 8:22:36 am
Urstruly: the opposite of worshipping the prophet is not contempt for the prophet. and you know that quite well. so dont just make up convenient assumptions.

my ways are based on the Quran, and they are consistent with universally accepted good values - i.e. all humans are equal before God, and we will be judged based on the simple criteria of distinguishing between right and wrong and doing the right thing. I dont need to mend my ways.

your ways are the ones that need mending - making up convenient assumptions (like the example in the first para), replacing the simple message of the Quran with rubbish that violates the fundamentals of the simple and profound message of the Quran (per the second para above) which has written by jahils in past centuries.
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#42 Posted by laddu on December 7, 2007 8:11:37 am
The entire plank of mullah Islam is based upon confusing humans with reference and the description of reference- the idealist confusion between the "truth" and "reality".
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