The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga

Re: # 62

Its a chiken or egg question. I think the establishment of Shria turns a politey into an Islamic state. Both go hand in hand. I am not much familiar with the Sudanese Law but Pakistan is a shameful example of what should not be done. It has two laws running in parallel - one law is based on English Common Law and the other is some of the Islamic laws imposed by Zia ul Haq in parallel. This is not only travesty of justice but an open mutiny against God also. The idea during the time of Zia was that since judges and lawyers were not trained according to the shraiah law and also the law itself had not been legislated yet therefore Islamic law would be introduced gradually. Since Zia every government in paksitan has openly rebelled against the commandments of God and did nothing to legislate shriah completely into the penal and civil code hence the misery that we suffer today as a punishment.

Re: # 65

urstruly,

" Since Zia every government in paksitan has openly rebelled against the commandments of God and did nothing to legislate shriah completely into the penal and civil code hence the misery that we suffer today as a punishment. "

...... so, is that why you choose to live in flint, michigan ?....... i like your form of protest - i am sure god is pleased with you as well ......... you mardoodites are a bunch of munafiqs ..... laholaywalaquwat!

... by the way, thanks for pointing out that i still have three chances left to recant and save my head from being severed from my body by some god-crazed mullah looking to get into heaven so that he can hump horny houris ...

Shouldn’t the Laws be people-neutral, e.g., if it is unlawful to name a teddy bear Mohammad, it should also be equally unlawful to name a teddy bear Larry, Curley, or Moe? The blasphemy laws are stupid and archaic. Why wasn’t Prophet Mohammad subject to the laws of the land when he lived in Mecca? A lot of what he preached and practiced was considered sacrilegious by the towns’ people. You can’t have it my way or the highway all the time. The guy is dead. Don’t drag his sacredness (if it’s that dear to you) thru this stupid mud. Pick up some other cause to show your thin-skin. It is getting ridiculous now.

Hamid Saab, Prophet Mohammad would have lived in no place other than New York City.

Let me start by saying that the mullah's in their efforts to discredit Islam, to provide fodder to the enemies of Islam, and to waste time and brain cells over nonsense, never cease to amaze me. That said, let me address the hypocrisy of the two morons here who post quite often:

Hamid writes "The dedicated British teacher -- who took upon herself the self-torture and self-punishment to leave the comforts of a civilized society to go to this wild savage Godforsaken place called Sudan to teach the Mohammed-Worshipping barbarians -- how to read and write and teach their children how to show affection to Mohammed in a civilized way.-- ends up meeting this kind of cruel barbaric indignity."

Muslims have had a long history of dealing with just such "self righteous" people who leave their "civilized" socieities, following occupation armies to convert and civilize the heathen and insult their culture and religion. If after such a history certain "indigineous" people become over reactive, it is understood. That their ill placed reaction is then used by the mainstream media of the higher barbarians to justify their farce of the war on terror and the face of their constructed enemy is a much bigger outrage than the idiotic reaction of the Sudanese authorities (in this case).

Kulharee writes "No one in a Catholic country would ask for someone’s neck for naming a stuffed monkey Jesus. "

Really, and that is what you feel too? Than why the reaction, calling my parents all kinds of names etc, from you when I called your (stuffed) wife (because of her size), Dumbo? Please explain this discepancy you miserable hypocrite...

Stuka, Is it illegal by law of the land to slaughter cow in india? If yes how fuckin retarded is it...n if it werent for the majority would it be possible...my argument is not whether it is RIGHT to give the majority a right to legislate what they deem appropriate for their society...i m saying thats what democracy is..once u cut the bullshit of equal rights n shit for minorities...patriot act is law not because its fair for all citizens ..its cause thats what the majority wants

my question was suppose to be is it illegal ANYWHERE? if so why?

Re: # 69

It is illegal to kill a lot of wild animals as well, dear!!!

Salman Khan got 5 years RI for killing a chinkara.

Surely , he did not get stoning to death for it!!

Modern civilization considers human life most precious- something that Islam does not realize at all and that is why it is rightly considered as a cult of death and blood thirsty Allah!!

{"The day Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir decided to overturn a court ruling convicting Gillian Gibbons for insulting the Prophet Mohammad, he heralded a rare victory for progressive, moderate Islam"}

Siddiqi Sahib,
Good article and I mostly agree with your sentiment. However, the day irresponsible "Muslim" authorities and self-styled spokesman start behaving like rational, educated human beings, the world will start respecting Muslims and Islam.

The real insult to Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the idiotic eruption of mass hysteria among Muslims that is fed by the imbecile, irrational, and uncontrolled rhetoric of bearded men, reeking of batshit, and issuing fatwires from the confines of remote caves.

Dear Hammad Siddiqi:

Congratulations for your excellent skills as an apologist for stupid and barbaric practices of followers of Islam in Sudan, supposedly a dar-ul-Islam- a mini Islamic Paradise in modern times!

You may like to know that there are millions of Muslims who are liers, thugs, cheats, torturers, rapists, criminals, mrderers, cutthroats etc. ( these phenomena exists in all societies too) But, but, all these men carry the name Muhammad. Have you heard of Mohammad Atta and his gang of murderers does it ring a bell? How about Mohammad-bin-Tughluk? and so on!!

What then Muslims did in the past and should do now ?What do you do with these Muhammads?

Here the name Muhammad was chosen by the children and not by the teacher Mrs. Gibbons who I suppose was surrounded by ever present informers and squealers. Mrs. Gibbons went to Sudan not to steal but to teach- a noble profession indeed.

Is this a sample of Sharia justice? First you go after the accused - punish first and not bother about investigation about the real truth? Punish the victim if necssary by seeking the help of frenzied Islamic street mobs?

BTW, I might remove the old dusty teddy bear from the closet in our home and name it Muhammad. Any objections by real Muslims, moderate Muslims and fundamentalist Muslims?

Kamath

"Stuka, Is it illegal by law of the land to slaughter cow in india? If yes how fuckin retarded is it...n if it werent for the majority would it be possible...my argument is not whether it is RIGHT to give the majority a right to legislate what they deem appropriate for their society...i m saying thats what democracy is..once u cut the bullshit of equal rights n shit for minorities...patriot act is law not because its fair for all citizens ..its cause thats what the majority wants "

Abu Safwan, your understanding of democracy is about as deep (or shallow) as Neembu's understanding of anything. First, a democracy can exist only if there is a basic undrstanding of human rights which are universal. To answer your question, it is illegal to slaughter a cow in some places. And no it is not retarded. You cannot slaughter a cow in a residential area. You cannot slaughter a goat in the same area either. Because it is a matter of hygiene. If anything, I find the Islamic tradition of slaughtering cows and sheep in the fricking street rather retarded. That too is illegal but like most illegal things, gets overlooked in India. In any case, the consumption of beef is legal..and so is the production in desiganted areas. Due to cultural and religious reasons, beef is not readily available out of Muslim ghettoes, but that is different from it being illegal. Also, the ban on eating beef is no more or less retarded than eating pork. Again, slaughter of pigs is legal..most Hindus are not pork eaters either..hence you will mostly get chicken or mutton. Anyways, moving away from ridiculous dietary discussions...

To your point, if Hindus were to legislate the deprivation of voting power for Muslims, would that be democracy? Per your definition yes, and per mine no.

I am glad Taimur Lung did not have Muhammad in his infamous name -- otherwise they would have stoned his mother for calling him Lung.

Re: # 74

You should have asked the bear also.

Btw, it is generally believed that some names, Mohd, Ahmad, Habeeb, etc., were specifically assigned to the Arabian prophet by Allah. As it is, why should these names be used by every Dick and Harry and above all by the Ahmadies who are not allowed to call themselves Muslims even by the 'Fatwa' constitution of Pakistan.

#77 - Tamashah Saab, with all due respect, is it generally believed by the people who are generally believed to be idiots by the civilized world? Or did you just pull this out of your backside?

I am so happy. Now may be terrorism in India will abate. So happy. Really

Stuka...please spare me the rhetoric...u r a smart guy so dont give me this bullshit about Islamic tradition u approve n disapprive of otherwise i'll be forced to bring some of ur noble traditions of mother burning n cow-piss drinkin...i dont wanna have 'my religion is better than urs' debate here...all's i was saying was that one people's human right is another people's pet-peeve. Who decides what is a human right...for americans its a human right for a woman to dance buck naked if thats what she chooses to do...if there was a country where people like ur father were in majority they wouldnt consider that a human right for his daughters ....america was still considered a democracy when they made blacks sit in the back of the bus...definitions of human rights change from society 2 society n u know it....things that they can do now under patriot act would be considered barbaric in german or swiss democracy...there is no cookie-cutter democracy...

n its utter bullshit that cows cant be slaughtered in residential areas in indida cause of hygenic issues...r u fukkin kiddin me....have u ever been 2 india....they would let ppl shit in the middle of the street n take ppl bath in cow-piss in the middle of the road but god-forbid someone slaughters a cow....sell crazy somewhere else boss