And Now, The Charter of Demands—The Comedy Continues!

#32 Posted by econfused,

BB of-course has no interest in an independemt judiciary. After all, if there is one then one of the first things to go would be the NRO and her cases will be revived.

Fazlur Rahman, I suspect, has a valid point in not insisting on reinstatement of Judiciary because he knows it to be an impracticable demand. Too many personalities and egos are riding on it. Therefore he first wants to ensure BB and Co. does not get an outright 2/3rd victory, and worry about the judiciary later.

As for NS, his stand is obviously the most in tune with the public sentiment, but he may be forced to contest regardless due to the factors stated in my previous post. In that event, I have no doubt that all the PML factions including PML (Q) will merge to contest.

Leaguers are experienced politicians. They will not allow an open field to either of BB+MQM+Q.

Regards.

This article reminds me of the 2nd grade essay of “My Cow” -My cow has 4 legs. My cow has 4 tits. My cow eats chara. My cow has urine place slapped on her back. My cow has one tail.

I honestly have a hard time believing that this guy has his own TV show. If he does, thank Allah for the remote.

Finally my opinion on this lame ass article. This is one of the worst articles I have seen on chowk. But what do you know this guy can definitely represent Pakistan in Olympics for ass kissing. Thats the only team which Mush can send out anyways.

Re: # 34

That is a good description of this ass kisser, but the followi ng takes the cake.

This is a true essay written by a CSS candidate at the CSS Exam held in year 2002-2003 in Islamabad. The candidate has written an essay on Cow:

((for those who don't know what CSS exam is, the guys who pass these exams become federal scrataries, commissioners and ambassadors after taking these exams)

'COW'

He is the cow. 'The cow is a successful animal. Also he is 4 footed. And because he is female, he gives milks, [but will do so when he is got child.]. He is same like-God, sacred to Hindus and useful to man. But he has got four legs together. Two are forward and two are afterwards. His whole body can be utilized for use. More so the milk. Milk comes from 4 taps attached to his basement. [horses don't have any such attachment]

What can it do? Various ghee, butter, cream, curd, why and the condensed milk and so forth. Also he is useful to cobbler, water mans and mankind generally. His motion is slow only because he is of lazy species. Also his other motion. {gober} is much useful to trees, plants as well as for making flat cakes [like Pizza], in hand, and drying in the sun.

Cow is the only animal that extricates his feeding after eating. Then afterwards he chews with his teeth that are situated in the inside of the mouth. He is incessantly in the meadows in the grass. His only attacking and defending organ is the horns, specially so when he is got child. This is done by knowing his head whereby he causes the weapons to be paralleled to the ground of the earth and instantly proceed with great velocity forwards. He has got tails also, situated in the backyard, but not like similar animals. It has hairs on the other end of the other side. This is done to frighten away the flies which alight on his cohesive body here upon he gives hit with it. The palms of his feet are soft unto the touch. So the grasses head is not crushed. At night time have poses by looking down on the ground and he shouts. His eyes and nose are like his other relatives.
This is the cow.

Rumour is that the guy cleared the CSS & is now DC somewhere in Punjab !!!

Re # 36. Truly Sahib, this cow is so much smarter than the cow I read about. The guy who wrote this piece deserves more than just a DC job, he deserves to be the CM of Punjab. If his cow is so talented, only Allah knows of his own potential.

it was bad enough when the usa was lecturing pakistan......now even turkey has started......what's next.....maldives?.....or will it be zimbabwe.....

can someone imagine the prime minister of pakistan going to to turkey and lecturing their politicians on what they should do!

Re: # 38
"it was bad enough when the usa was lecturing pakistan......now even turkey has started......what's next.....maldives?.....or will it be zimbabwe....."

Neither. It would be Sudan.

Re: #38, #39
Nops, it will be Burma/Myanmar.

zeemax #33 Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif have earned their place in history by undertaking physical assaults on the Supreme Court. The former has been more successful than the latter, but those are details. BB, whatever else her shortcomings, does not belong to this distinguished club.

They say a fool does the same thing that a wise man does - but only after much later and after a lot of damage has been done. Nawaz Sharif is a perfect example - when in power he was stupid enough to try and destroy the very basis for his power, namely the constitution and the rule of law. Anyway - if a fool does the right thing in due course, as Nawaz Sharif is now doing in calling for the restoration of the judiciary, then that is fine. Let us just hope he and Benazir are a bit wiser now after seeing what a bit of thinking would have told them - if you ignore the law, then you are asking for the law of the jungle. Where the man with the most guns becomes your ruler.

tahmed32 #41

You keep forgetting what a handpicked SC can does, BB should remember the verdict about her father. I know its bit scary to have independent mind judges, but it can turn this nation around.

BB don't want these or any independent minded judges, and it tells me that NS might have learned the lesson, while BB hasn't.

#41 Posted by tahmed32,

Well ... I guess the accusation of a Supreme Court assault will hound NS whether it's true or not.

You may have noticed (if you didn't please look it up) that there were three charges against his nomination. First related to the hijacking case, second about some bank default, and third about supreme court assault. The first two were upheld by the election commission while the third was thrown out. NS has been cleared many times over in that accusation, even by dishonest courts.

But never mind, all I know is that it is easy to achieve progress when one has external support and dollars flowing in as now. Thing is if you achieve it when there're none. And you achieve development with someone else's money.

NS achieved that.

(someone else's money with no strings).

Re: # 43
"But never mind, all I know is that it is easy to achieve progress when one has external support and dollars flowing in as now"

Not anymore. Anyone who will help perpetuate this status quo in one pretext or the other will get their testicles choppeds off (Bezamir no exception). I think the national sentiment against the currupt, pro-western, oppressive ruling elite and their strong arm, NaPak fouj has reached the critical mass. Any little or insignificant event might trigger the inevitability that has been pending for 60 years. In todays newspaper, the daughters and wife of the testicles like Khurshid Kasoori were shown protesting against the "Emergency+". This is the ultimate act of desperation on part of this corrupt elite to hijack what rightfully belongs to the people of Pakistan - the struggle for freedom.

This article seems to reflect the perspective of the military establishment--in a nutshell these guys can't run the country, that is why we are here coz they just can't conduct themselves with any extent of responsibility or maturity. This is a valid criticism, but let's look at why that is so.

The political maturity of Pakistani politicians is low because they have never been really allowed to run the country and that started back in the 1960s. For one reason on another (I won't go into conspiracy theories and American ties) the Army has had the greatest resources of Pakistan and the only consistent institution to emerge from the chaos of Pakistan. Why? Once again the answer lies in multinational corporations who support and supply to the Pakistan Army. The Army is nothing if not aligned with neoliberal Capitalist agendas.

If we diss the politicians, let us ask how many times the Army has allowed Pakistani civil society to run the government. We have heard often about why the Army is a third political force in the play and will always have a strong power base. The Army needs weak, corrupt politicians more than the weak politicians need the Army. This is after all the only justification for being around. Once the politicians started getting better and better with their arguments and started to get the ear of the common man, the Army was extremely threatened. It had to quickly shut down the bad politicians to save the semi-quiet civil society for fear of loss of power. Fear of a loss of free hand the Economy, a limitless budget, a status of being above the law and the curbing of territorial expansion and continued control of Pakistan's assets have led to the current Emergency.

So, my question is not if the politicians are loyal to the State of Pakistan or competent (we know that they are immature and incompetent) but if the Army is loyal to the State of Pakistan rather than the weapons manufacturers and the Empire who seeks to strengthen its control of the region's land and resources. Yes, the Army is somewhat more competent at handling Pakistan, but the question is to what end??

So Mr Quraishi, it ain't that easy to get out throwing the blame on the politicians. Turkish people have difficulty with rapid Indian style English and the fact that your precious Army hates to share power with the politicians is more than likely what Mr Gul took back--ironically the same situation is prevalent in Turkey with far more thought control. Despite Turkey's whole hearted submission to the white man's ways, Turkey is NOT part of the European Union. Shouldn't that make you wonder?

Also, businessmen are not the reason why Pakistan exists. They are only the taxpayers. Pakistan exists to provide justice, resources and opportunities for its people. If the businesses like peace above all, a sanitary peace without freedom is never likely to create a modern state. Instead, the Army will only get immature politicians who keep banging on its door for power sharing rather than working at what politicians are supposed to do, building consensus for the mutually decided goals of the citizens of a modern state.

Saima Shah: You make some very good points. wrt to your question: "So, my question is not if the politicians are loyal to the State of Pakistan or competent (we know that they are immature and incompetent) but if the Army is loyal to the State of Pakistan", I think Musharraf gave his answer on the day he had he retired with his usual pomp and show - his entire speech was geared to telling the army that it owed allegiance to indivduals, rather than to the nation!!

#45 Posted by Urstruly

...the daughters and wife of the testicles like Khurshid Kasoori were shown protesting against the "Emergency+".

I saw that and had to see it a few times to believe it. Kasuri's wife is the founder and owner of the entire Foundation House School System.

It appears critical mass has appeared, but civil society ... I don't know .... whether they'll get their nose bloodied like the Minallah woman did.