6th December 1992

The Babri Masjid was not really a mosque. There were no Islamic prayers offered in it. Also, Egypt and Pakistan have destroyed plenty of mosques to build canals / dams etc. There is nothing particularly sacred to the Muslims about Babri Masjid. The Hindi position is this..there are 2000 documented instances of Mandirs being demolished to build Mosques. Hindus only want three to be returned back; Ayodhya, Varanasi, Mathura. The rest are "kaha sunna maaf".

Qami saab is writing about one Muslim being killed by UP Police. There were many Hindus killed by the UP Police during Maulana Mulayam's sarkar as well.

"#5 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 6, 2007 1:17:59 pm Cobray,
Your logic and certainty are both dismal. What proof is there that the Babri Masjid was built by Muslims after they razed the Ram Temple in Ayodhya?

Using your logic, we may need to demolish most of the churches in Rome. These were built on the ruins of Roman temples, even some material from the Coliseum."

Sure, but the defenders of Roman faith didn't servive beyond Constantine. However, Hindus did survive, thrive and are a major force in India.

Tell me something if non-Muslims destroyed Mecca Kabah and Medina. Would you be just as charitable and call history a history or would you try to reclaim the holy places?

"#10 Posted by ISlamIslam"

I don't know what are you on but for your information India is officially secular country. Whether that gets practiced is a different issue. Ideally, that's how every state should be. Equal protection to all it's citizens. And freedom to practice their religion (within the bounds of the law of the land). The fact that various governments at the state level and at the center, at worst- sided with Hindus and at best remained silent spectators is a shame.

Agree with destruction though.

"Similarly Islamic Shariah (law) instructs that when a certain place is made a Masjid it can never change its status. The original land can never be replaced or sold out."

Islamic law does not apply to hindu idolators and cannot give an iota of right to any momeen to occupy and destroy a hindu temple and convert it into a masjid. They should be payed back for defiling our temples!!

"One of his close friends, Yunus Ali, was shot-dead by the UP police on December 7, 1992 before his naked eyes. "

Sure, the innocence of that person would be presumed because he is a muslim!!

"They later campaigned for communal polarization of Hindus and Muslims..."

Nonnsense, muslims were already polarized, ghettoized, bhai -bhai-ized, ummahized. It was hindus who were fragmented. Babri masjid consolidated it. Infact, every terror strike consolidates them further. Yes, kill us!! We would consolidate further. In fact, this consolidation is happening the world over. Christians are uniting like anything after every terror strike.
Come on Jehadis, arise and hit us, that would make our resolve firmer.

"It was a moment when all truths about religious coexistence suddenly proved false."

Nonsense, and this is a BS Taquiyya. Truths about RELIGIOUS CO-EXISTENCE ARE NOT TAUGHT IN MUSLIM SEMINARIES!

They are anyway FALSE by default in Islamic world view. The entire plank of Islam falls if its 'superiority' is denied.!

M B Qasmi
Sorry for your sense of loss. I understand and fully sympathise with your sense of uncertainty too. Though a Hindu, I felt it too, firstly because the act of demolition of a religious place by a mob was a terrible thing to watch and secondly the loss of confidence that the Indian state would be impartial. As an individual I couldn't have prevented such a thing from happening but I feel responsible despite that. The Indian state is nothing but individuals like myself. As an individual I have taken the responsibility of understanding the history and politics that precipitated the event(history stretching back to a few decades before independence, not really back to Babur as people think), and hopefully you will someday too. My sad conclusion is that it is unavoidable that we acknowledge that history to undo its effects on the future, alas.

Okay....

Pakistani Muslims werent any better after the Babri Masjid Episode.

There tore down hindu temples all over Pakistan. I personally saw mobs demolish two hindu temples in lahore's inner walled city.

What are you griping about?

Indian has tolerated enough nuicesence created by moslems for 600 years. Govt. of India should have done that ( Destruction of two three others in Mathura, Kashi etc...). The destruction of the structure by BJP/RSS people was illegal. These people should be punished ( whether the mosque was built on Ram Mandir or not. It is a legal matter.) The site should be handed over to ASI. Let them decide what to do. VHP/RSS has no business on deciding fate of such old structure.
Somebody was comparing with islamic countries. We are a civilised society. We should not compare with them.

The destruction of Babri Masjid was a crime and all indians will continue to pay for it until it is resolved whether by consensus (rebuild mosque, access to hindu worshippers) or thru law. If a state cannot protect historical monuments, however despised, then it is a weak state and one with little commitment to protection of its citizens symbols.

There is a separate issue that it is a disgusting display of violence that hindu temples have had muslim places of worship forcibly attached to them throughout north india. Closet islamists like Mr. Qasim will pretend that these mosques "spontaneously" arose out of the ether or some such nonsense. That is like saying that africans "spontaneously" came to america as slaves or european jews spontaneously went to gas chambers.

I would hope that the owners of these mosques will come to understand the violence and spitefulness that these structures represent to many hindus. They and the community should think of a creative way to preserve these historical structures and at the same time repudiate the legacy of triumphalist and imperialist islam that they stand for.

God does not need temples, mosques, churches. People do.

Which begs the question - why do people need temples, mosques, churches? which question is easily answered: because it promotes a sense of community for the population at large, and gives the priest an "office".

So - why not build community centers instead, and put priests where the belong - in the market for a real job? The true believer then practices relgion the way it should be - as a matter of personal belief and conscience, and out of reach of those who seek to make money from religion, or to create divisions in society, or to use religion as a means to gain power.

Babri Masjid at Ayodhya - One down and 100,000 more to go.

There should be a ban in India on the construction of any new mosques or churches.

Give the Mozzies a taste of their own medicine. Do they allow you to build a temple anywhere in Saudi Arabia?

All imported religions should be put on notice that they are allowed to survive in India at the sufferance of Hindus.

A single peep from them about religious tolerance or civil rights should be met with the religious tolerance Hindus had lived under for 1000 years: a jizya on non-Hindus, no jobs in private/public sector for non-Hindus, and beating them into Islam -- oops, submission.

Any Christian agitating for the right of conversion and quotas in education and jobs ought to be nailed to the cross.

[ Similarly Islamic Shariah (law) instructs that when a certain place is made a Masjid it can never change its status. The original land can never be replaced or sold out.]

This is absolutely FALSE. I know of at least a dozen mosques which have been demolished and converted into other secular buildings in Saudi Arabia, the biggest propagationists of Sharia.

There is nothing wrong in demolishing the mosque in Ayodhya or Banaras and Mathura. These mosques were built by force by the ruling Muslims, now that the Muslims are not in power and Hindoos are, and since they can,therefore,they should build temples on thoase sites.I see nothing wrong in this. as for the Muslims are concerned,they have never been stopped from building a new one. As it is there are millions of mosques all over the wporld without any worshipper, razing a few should not be of much consequence.

the pendulum will always swing hard one way when you push it too much the other way. e.g. the pendulum of left-wing secular politics brought bush in the white house in a backlash. so its not always prudent to roughshod trample over the sentiment of the "majority"..it may sound like blackmail, but its just a matter of fact.

so pick your poison..