6th December 1992

Dost sahib, if you expect us to forgive and forget then that ain’t happening. Muslims would do the same if this happens to Mecca. Christians would also behave similarly if it happens to Rome. Jews, surprisingly didn't do it for their holey shrine may be because they survive n Christian backing and they don't want to antagonize their Muslims further. It really doesn't matter how would others behave. These are our places of worship and we have right to reclaim them back.
I'm not asking for treating Muslims as second class citizens for the Historic wrongs of their assumed forefather (for majority of Indian Muslims are decedents of native population and had nothing to do with invaders). The demand is to reclaim what is rightfully ours. Bamian Buddha statue were not built on earlier razed places of warship. So the comparison is idiotic. I'm not in favor of destruction of any monument per say. I would have favored the relocating the masjid somewhere.

God is not a Homeless Man. God does not need Roti, Kapra aur Makaan. duh-uh. case closed.

Re: # 18
During Naxalite movement, almost a generation of the youth of Bengal was killed by police there. They were university and college toppers, not madrassa bread terrorists. When police think somebody is against them, they will kill. Police does not see moslem or non-moslem.

yar DM salim is not asking tough question, the real question is asked by indians themselves, who ask for proof that Ram was born. So Salims question is nothing..real question is 'Prove that the Babri masjid was built on the temple built on the birth-place of Ram".

Salim yar, we indians are generally pretty lovey-dovey with Akbar, he is considered one the major political uniters of india almost unanimously. We dont complain about bihari sons-of-soil like Sher-sha suri and even like bahadursha jafar. mugal-e-ajam was an alltime hit..so your accusation that we consider all the members of the house of timur as ferner (inspite of taking dilli from biharis) looteyras is wrong. we only consdier ghori and abdali as luteyras.

Re: # 17
"Muslims were already polarised"...
It is not true. First, the islamic terrorism in Kashmir on Kashimiris ( Pundits). The ugly side of Islam was exposed to the newer generation on that time ( After post partion India). One of my college students, was studying in REC Srinagar (late 1980s). The chilling experience he described to us (he had lost 2 years for the terrorism in Kashmir) was enough to get the taste of islamic barbarism. Then, flood of Bangladeshi non-moslems immigrants in Calcutta and neighbouring districts exposed the islamic barbarism in Eastern front. So, far we had the idea that moslems are petty criminals as they are poor and illiterate. The religious angle was fully exposed that time. Then came Ram temple movement. North Indian states has seen upper caste consolidation with OBCs. Arab money started pouring in Indian mosques and moslems has started being aware that, there vote share is enough in the fractured mandate to change the fate of political parties. And then this entire trouble ( RSS/Upper caste/Moslems).In my village or early years of college, I have not seen any such matter called somebody is moslem. They were very few and we were quite good friends.

"real question is 'Prove that the Babri masjid was built on the temple built on the birth-place of Ram".


No the real question is Prove that the Babri masjid was built on the temple, period.

cobra, indian secularist do raise this question, you see, its na reahn bas, na baje bansuri. if ram does not really exist, how the f can we have ram janam bhoomi? by this argument those demanding ram janambhoomi are neatly reduced to ignorant fools.

perfect fodder for BJP to gain so many seats..wagons were circled overnight. ram janambhoomi was a brilliant political excercise of uniting "hindus" politically and destruction of babri mosque was a deliberate act symbolising that the BJP would be an action-taking party and not just rabble-rousing.

they managed to convince the electorate on this single issue, and made history. now offcourse the issue is used-up.

Re: # 32

Dost-Mitter:

"...The main pont against the destruction of the Babri masjid is that historical wrongs can not be righted, otherwise there would be no end to communal and ethnic strife. ..."

This is too logical to apply to emotional and illogical lives people lead. Osama is also trying to right a historical wrong (albeit recent history). I am certain when buildings (including temples and mosques), universities etc. were being demolished, the demolishers strongly felt that they were righting the wrong.

The truth is those who have power have always gotten away with criminal acts, be it babri masjid, or katl-e-aam from moti masjid. Another truth is the struggle for righting the wrong continues. One more question, just whose right one is fighting for or against. I am sure lawyers in Pakistan feel they are righting a wrong, while Musharraff sees it completely opposite. Like Modi and his followers believe their criminal acts are right.

Some emotions just simply do not die, because people have long memories.

#32, DM Sahib,
You are absolutely right about demolition of Babri Masjid being the wrong thing to do. Of course the really right thing to do would have been the Muslim leaders' willingness to join Hindus in discussing the importance of their perception that the masjid stood on sacred ground. Furthermore, they should have discussed the possibility and cost/benefit of moving the structure to another location.

Needless to say, nobody can ever accuse Muslim leaders, especially in India, of using sound judgment or of ever looking out for the true interests of anyone, least of all Muslims.

Jang #36 {"Salim yar, we indians are generally pretty lovey-dovey with Akbar.. We dont complain about bihari sons-of-soil like Sher-sha suri and even like bahadursha jafar. mugal-e-ajam was an alltime hit..... we only consdier ghori and abdali as luteyras."}

Jang,
You conveniently left out one of the greatest of the Timuri clan, Maharaja Aurangjeb, whose dadi and pardadi were both Hindu Rajputs and who was born in Hindustan. Placing your thumb up or down in reaction to the opinions of gora Angrej historians is very Chachaesque.

#39 Jang {"perfect fodder for BJP to gain so many seats..wagons were circled overnight. ram janambhoomi was a brilliant political excercise of uniting "hindus" politically and destruction of babri mosque was a deliberate act symbolising that the BJP would be an action-taking party and not just rabble-rousing"}

Jang,
You are right about the issue being hijacked by BJP to temporarily united Hindus and get power for themselves. But Yaar, why do Hindus unite and behave badly exclusively at the expense of non-Hindus like Sikhs and Muslims. The BJP recycled the same old issue in 2002 and won another election.

These BJP guys need to take notes from Muslim leaders. Most of the time our leaders unite one set of Muslims against another Muslim sect. This way only Muslims get hurt and there is no universal clamor about blood-thirsty Muslims. Of course, AlKayda violated this rule and killed thousands of non-Muslims (including hundreds of Muslims) and thus earned international condemnation and wrath. Thankfully, some competent Muslim leaders in Eye Rak and Pakiland corrected this problem by killing ten-fold the number of Muslims in intra-Islamic suicidal and fratricidal display of Muslim unity and circling of camels.

Jang,
Furtheremore, thanks to our fratricidal suicide boomers, the infidel have stopped asking "Why do they hate us so much?" Instead they are all saying "Look, they hate themselves much more than they hate us." This gives Islam a much more egalitarian outlook and no wonder Allah's faith is spreading almost as fast as Mormonism and Mirzaism.

Qasmi Sahab donot oversimplify a complictaed issue because then you are problem maker not desirous of the dvelopment of detente.
Problem arose in the activities of the perpetrators of which the chief was Jinnah! Truly a British agent.

Jinna Bhai had nothing to do with Babri Masjid. If anything congressi minority appeasement policy can be directly tied to it.

Anil, are you saying that if the Babri Masjid was not demolished every thing was hokey-dory between Hindus and Muslims?

#40,

"Another truth is the struggle for righting the wrong continues."

So you agree Hindu's can't be exception to that! We can't be devoid of same feelings as other communities. At least grant us that much.

#32 Posted by dost_mittar on December 8, 2007 2:53:28 am


historical wrongs can not be righted


that applies equally to the chaddis going nuts for a mythological figure and muslims rioting after the babri masjid was destroyed...