Moeed Pirzada December 7, 2007
#125 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 1:51:04 pm
#124 Posted by GT,
Oh I've been fine. And you?
Well, Pavo is a soldier, so he wants Iqbal to have fought with guns instead of accepting the knighthood. But he also says in his article on Waziristan that the tribals know how to use extortion with the occupiers pretending to be collaborators while at the same time sniping at them.
Perhaps Iqbal was doing just that.
Oh I've been fine. And you?
Well, Pavo is a soldier, so he wants Iqbal to have fought with guns instead of accepting the knighthood. But he also says in his article on Waziristan that the tribals know how to use extortion with the occupiers pretending to be collaborators while at the same time sniping at them.
Perhaps Iqbal was doing just that.
#124 Posted by GT on December 9, 2007 1:42:23 pm
Zee:
"But Marx never fought ....". Depends on what you mean by "fight" .... he was much more of a fighter than Iqbal :-)
Cheers! How have you been?
"But Marx never fought ....". Depends on what you mean by "fight" .... he was much more of a fighter than Iqbal :-)
Cheers! How have you been?
#123 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 1:39:50 pm
#118 Posted by pavocavalry
This was idealism from safety of Lahore.
Again true. But Marx never fought alongside Che or Mao or Ho Chi Minh as well.
This was idealism from safety of Lahore.
Again true. But Marx never fought alongside Che or Mao or Ho Chi Minh as well.
#121 Posted by GT on December 9, 2007 1:29:42 pm
pavocavalry:
IMHO, the Congress was and is elitist, except for an interim period when it was hit by an exogenous shock called M.K.Gandhi. He (knowingly or unknowingly) did the following:
1. Politicized a sizeable proportion of the masses. It included rural masses too, and here I disagree with HP and Jang. This was to a large extent due to his initial Champaran emphasis.
2. He brought an amount of "pride" back. It was all right to be "unwashed", and being a "brown sahib" was not necessary.
3. Due to 1 and 2, he had to bring in indegenous "chauvanists", "casteists" and "fundamentalists" into the political process, for these were the "institutions" which influenced us then and do so even now.
4. A "good" effect of this was that, at least in India, they could not be ignored. They have to be, and perhaps to an extent are, dealt with politically. So after a long period of "pseudo goody-goody" we had the "Hindu fundamentalists" come to power. "Dalit fundamentalism" and "Muslim fundamentalism" are flexing their political power in a reasonable democratic framework. "Chauvanists" came to power in Maharashtra, Punjab, Assam, Mizoram etc. All had to compromise and are still at it. Hopefully the process continues.
I hope the same happens in Pakistan. But the army - "brown sahib" nexus has to be TOTALLY destroyed. You need a paan chewing/spitting ugly guy as your next foreign minister who can negotiate with their Indian counterparts like Laloo and Mayawati.
Regards and have enjoyed reading your write-ups. Will do so more carefully when I have time.
IMHO, the Congress was and is elitist, except for an interim period when it was hit by an exogenous shock called M.K.Gandhi. He (knowingly or unknowingly) did the following:
1. Politicized a sizeable proportion of the masses. It included rural masses too, and here I disagree with HP and Jang. This was to a large extent due to his initial Champaran emphasis.
2. He brought an amount of "pride" back. It was all right to be "unwashed", and being a "brown sahib" was not necessary.
3. Due to 1 and 2, he had to bring in indegenous "chauvanists", "casteists" and "fundamentalists" into the political process, for these were the "institutions" which influenced us then and do so even now.
4. A "good" effect of this was that, at least in India, they could not be ignored. They have to be, and perhaps to an extent are, dealt with politically. So after a long period of "pseudo goody-goody" we had the "Hindu fundamentalists" come to power. "Dalit fundamentalism" and "Muslim fundamentalism" are flexing their political power in a reasonable democratic framework. "Chauvanists" came to power in Maharashtra, Punjab, Assam, Mizoram etc. All had to compromise and are still at it. Hopefully the process continues.
I hope the same happens in Pakistan. But the army - "brown sahib" nexus has to be TOTALLY destroyed. You need a paan chewing/spitting ugly guy as your next foreign minister who can negotiate with their Indian counterparts like Laloo and Mayawati.
Regards and have enjoyed reading your write-ups. Will do so more carefully when I have time.
#120 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 1:15:36 pm
#119 Posted by pavocavalry,
But was there anything other than joystick controlled predators?
But was there anything other than joystick controlled predators?
#119 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:09:00 pm
Re: # 114:-- 90 % of US attacks on Waziristan were launched by air assets other than Stealth.
with respect
Agha
with respect
Agha
#118 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:07:18 pm
Re: # 113:-- This was idealism from safety of Lahore.But 100 marks to Iqbal.My knowledge of poetry is limited sir.
kind regards
Agha
kind regards
Agha
#117 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:05:22 pm
Re: # 115:-- OK sir ! I will not use the title " LOWLY MAJOR" bestowed upon me by His Great Highness High Ranking Most Esteemed HP.
kind regards
Agha
kind regards
Agha
#116 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:03:52 pm
Re: # 114:-- Sir , with all due respect , Stealth is no substitute for other attack aircrafts.I suggest that you discuss this with an airforce officer.
wih respect
Lowly Major
wih respect
Lowly Major
#115 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 1:03:05 pm
#112 Posted by pavocavalry,
Thanks but you signed your post as a lowly major from St Mary's. SIR, you don't have to sign it like that for ME.
BTW mine was the St. Mary's in Lahore next to the mini market, Gulberg ... you know .. the doongi ground walla (wink)!
Thanks but you signed your post as a lowly major from St Mary's. SIR, you don't have to sign it like that for ME.
BTW mine was the St. Mary's in Lahore next to the mini market, Gulberg ... you know .. the doongi ground walla (wink)!
#114 Posted by arjun8 on December 9, 2007 1:02:08 pm
#93 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 12:15:33 pm
In surprise attack time and space matters.
Not when you have stealth bombers based in the US that can fly bombing missions to any part of the world.
With these bases flying time to various future targets has been substantially reduced.
What future targets?
This is a matter of precision target attacks and gunnery.
Gunnery?
In surprise attack time and space matters.
Not when you have stealth bombers based in the US that can fly bombing missions to any part of the world.
With these bases flying time to various future targets has been substantially reduced.
What future targets?
This is a matter of precision target attacks and gunnery.
Gunnery?
#113 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 1:00:28 pm
C'mon Pavo, don't hold a grudge against Iqbal for accepting the knighthood. But he was also badmouthing the 'Farang' all the time. Wasn't he?
Lapak kar jhapatna, jhapat kar palatna
Lahu garm rakhney ka hai ik bahana
Isn't that what the tribals do?
Afghaniyon ki ghairat-e-deen ka hai ik ilaaj
Mullah ko inn key koh-o-daman sey nikaal dau
So Sir?
Lapak kar jhapatna, jhapat kar palatna
Lahu garm rakhney ka hai ik bahana
Isn't that what the tribals do?
Afghaniyon ki ghairat-e-deen ka hai ik ilaaj
Mullah ko inn key koh-o-daman sey nikaal dau
So Sir?
#112 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 12:57:00 pm
Re: # 111:-- My dear thats what I wrote.Please read carefully.
"I believe the tribals know Iqbal better than anyone else! " was in response to ZEEMAX.
kind regards
LOWLY MAJOR FROM THIRD RATE SAINT MARYS SCHOOL
AGHA
"I believe the tribals know Iqbal better than anyone else! " was in response to ZEEMAX.
kind regards
LOWLY MAJOR FROM THIRD RATE SAINT MARYS SCHOOL
AGHA
#111 Posted by zeemax on December 9, 2007 12:53:29 pm
#109 Posted by pavocavalry,
Hey Pavo, #108 was by zeemax and not HP ... :) Please respond again in that light.
I believe the tribals know Iqbal better than anyone else!
Hey Pavo, #108 was by zeemax and not HP ... :) Please respond again in that light.
I believe the tribals know Iqbal better than anyone else!
#110 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 12:53:01 pm
Re: # 108;-- When I next time go to Waziristan I will tell them about Iqbals opportunism in accepting Knighthood.
with regards
Lowly Major , Student of Third Rate Saint Marys
Agha
with regards
Lowly Major , Student of Third Rate Saint Marys
Agha
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