The Conspiracy Theory

Utterly & Completely respected Masadi,

Now you have started increasingly referring to the "Pakistani elite" (whoever they are). The earlier references to "US Power elite" have become less frequent.

Perhaps you are learning. Soon it will be "waziristan elite" and then "kunpao elite".By next year you shall be referring to "cavedwelling elite".

The true evolution of Masadi the intellectual..... and Lululand shall rejoice.

hamid writes ".....take a phrase like "after the Soviet withdrawal US relations with Zia will become complicated" from a declassified cia document...."

You are an idiot hamid, if you don't understand something or something is beyond your level of comprehension don't make a fool of yourself by commenting on it anyway. The military conducted its own internal investingation of the Zia ul Fcuk blowing up and I happened to talk to the person incharge of that investigation, nonetheless what happened to Saddam who was first pampered and then discarded by the US much like Noriega, and to other tin pot dictators supported for their "use value" by the US and then discarded when they develop amnesia about how they become powerful and act independant is no "conspiracy" but a predictable relationships coming out of a US dominated global system. Now go back to the "substance abuse" that describes your pathetic life

pavo writes "Both the civil and military first collaborated with the British an are collaborating with the Americans since 1947.The policy was initiated by Jinnah"

Interesting observation regarding the MAJ, read some of my posts where I debate the high priest of the Church of MAJ, Manto. You have missed an important part in this generalization and that is that this collaboration with the imperialists and feudals received a setback during the ZAB era when Pakistan lost its status of "house slave" with the US and was put back on track by the Zia ul Fcuk. You also miss the fact that in this equation the military is primarily what the US deals with, the civilians are to them untrustworthy and mere stop gaps. In all talks of Pakistani elite, the military as an institution tops all and is second to none in corruption on a society wide level.

#25 is in response to #16 by Zee.

ChachaZee,

Jhooth bolna achchhee baat naheen hai !!!!



In February 2007, you wanted us to believe that US itself had created 9/11.
Please refer to your posts #205 & #217 in "Get over the victim syndrome" board on Chowk.

http://www.chowk.com/interacts/11480/1/0/24#309726

It appears that in true lululand fashion, you have once again made a complete about turn. Waah !!!

Re: # 17

procavalry,

...... that's all we needed to complete the set of conspiracy jokers on this site - an ex army goon who talked to someone who talked to someone whose aunt made marmalade for the cia in mazar sharif! ........

.....take a phrase like "after the Soviet withdrawal US relations with Zia will become complicated" from a declassified cia document combine it with the 'eye witness' account a subedar-major and wallah ! ........ you have a conspiracy !

.......... make sure you check under your bed before going to sleep tonight - there might be a hinddo/cia/zionist spook under it ............. fool !

#22 Posted by pavocavalry,

True. Cheers mate.

And, welcome.

In guerrilla warfare and covert operations nothin can be ruled out.

#20 Posted by pavocavalry,

Yes SAM capability is crucial to them. It was only when they acquired Stingers that the Mujahideen (not Taliban at that point) drove the russians out.

So you think Putin will deliver those. Fair analysis, given the lost russian pride over the americans.

But what If I say that it is only a matter of time before they get hold of some shoulder-fired ones from the Pakistan military's arsenals?

Taliban are good pay masters, and Pakistani army knows they better do something for their retirement instead of being paid in pumpkins as the russians did their army in the end.

Re: # 19

They dont have Surface to Air Missile capability.My assessment is that they will acquire it from Russia or China soon.Putin is the man who is going to paly hell with the Americans, if all goes well.In 2003 I had written an article in NATION that Afghanistan is Russia's Strategic Opportunity.

#18 Posted by pavocavalry,

Thanks. Your posts are extremely valuable and authentic.

You wrote something about Taliban not having SAM capability. What was that?

In case anyone is interested in these Declassified CIA archives , these can be seen in the National Defence College Library to whom I presented these in 1996-97.These are about 12 volumes.

Interesting analysis.I agree that Ahmad Qureshi has made some wild assertions.However as I see it the USA as Marx said may not be creating history but it makes use of a situation that it inherits.Like it made use of 9/11 to occupy Afghanistan......a great strategic attack .....larger in dimension than Operation Barbarossa!About the Zia crash I have some observations ! While reading declassified CIA archives from the CIA History Staff I came upon a passge of the CIA reports in 1997 ...." after the Soviet withdrawal US relations with Zia will become complicated" ! As an officer of the 1st Armoured Division when Zia crash occurred I also met many direct witnesses in 1988 including the major who was incharge of despatching the dead bodies by air ! The major stated that while alive Zia's arrival brought every one to the airport but on despatch he had few soldiers with clothes tied on face to avoid the stench.Even the official Airforce report stated sabotage to be the cause.The incident could be a CIA operation or a KGB operation.General Zia was not toeing the American line.In this scenario US relations with the Musharraf regime are good.However it appears that they want Benazir in the future power set up.Perhaps they hope that Benazir will be able to deliver.Although with Benazir's team as it stands I have grave doubts if she can deliver ! This is the pattern in history ! The English East India Company also first used local collaborators and once they outlived their utility the English stepped in ! Sooner or later the Americans will physically intervene ! This is why they made Afghanistan their base of operations ! Its going to be a very complicated,bloody and sticky affair ! The line between right and wrong would be blurred ! A confusion in principle has already been introduced ! Generals have forgiven the corruption of politicians and politicans have also forgiven te general.The elite is the same ! Both the civil and military first collaborated with the British an are collaborating with the Americans since 1947.The policy was initiated by Jinnah.The same story as Punjab collaboration of 1857 and now the collaboration with USA.Pakistan was not created for the common man.

#15 Posted by Skeptical,

...those fancy theories about 9/11 and how USA itself created the incidence...

No one believes USA itself created the incidence. But everyone believes (including some 45% of americans) that US intelligence did not have a clue who did.

For one, it is pretty well established that 19 easter bunnies and a santa claus in tora bora did not.

Well that was good...
While it may be true that USA has its intelligence apparatus and they do have a tendency to "direct" events but the extent to which we attribute their indulgence is mind boggling....
I still remember those fancy theories about 9/11 and how USA itself created the incidence to have an excuse to destroy Islam!!!!
I think we do have a tendency to go into extremes...
And this mental mind set has to be changed before we can have any reasonable chances of improving our situation....
Because if everything is due to conspiracy of USA, then frankly there is nothing much we ca do about ourselves as any endeavour woul be an exerise in futility!!!!!!

"Even today I come across many adults who essentially think of the world in such simplistic terms:"

Pirzada, bhai,

If the people are told from childhood that every thing from science to administration is in one book, what do you think will happen to teh people.

They become simpletons.

Msadi hooked on the US conspiracy thoery, YLH with teh view that what ever came out of Jinnah are the iltimate truth...

All this can be traced to what teh children are taught at a tender age...from a single book.

Can you name the book.