The Conspiracy Theory

Re: # 187

The only regret I have is INC should have asked to
partition Sindh. I think Sindhi Hindus deserved
a state of their own, they constituted a
significant portion of that state.

#187 Posted by majumdar

“Well, the Pakistan demand came ONLY from the Muslims of Bengal, Punjab, Sind and NWFP, the Hindus and Sikhs were completely opposed to it.”

Okay I agree with that. Let me put it this way “Let me reiterate again the Muslim Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhi and Pathan did not see the creation of Pakistan as a communal issue.”

I hope you will realize that despite the Muslim majorities demanding Pakistan, their demand was not communal in nature.

HP sain,

First of all let me clarify my stand on the Partition issue. Unlike most Injuns on chowk, a few of us- Kaal bhai and me for instance - believe that Partition was a good thing both for Injuns and Pakis and that it was quite fortunate that things turned out the way which made Partition inevitable although the violence could have been avoided had Lord M, JLN and MAJ (pbuh) applied themselves better. I can't speak about Kaal bhai but I support Partition not becuase Hindus and Muslims constitute separate nations per se but becuase neither side was willing to make the compromises necessary for united India.

In that sense the fact that INC leaders had earned the hostility of the Brits were behind bars (where they rightly belonged)in 1942-44 was a blessing in disguise, for the ML leadership used this period for creating the grounds for Pakistan.

(Let me reiterate again the Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhi and Pathan did not see creation of Pakistan as a communal issue.)

Well, the Pakistan demand came ONLY from the Muslims of Bengal, Punjab, Sind and NWFP, the Hindus and Sikhs were completely opposed to it. Except of course a few jokers like Joginder Nath Mandal!!!

(the 1935 act as a whole was adopted as the provisional constitution of India until the final document was approved.)

To the best of my belief that is indeed the case, although not having any legal background I can't confirm. That's why in #173 I have requested Amin sahib to quote a source to authenticate that India had abolished Schedule 9 of GoI Act, 1935.

Regards

#170 Posted by majumdar
Dada,
Please read this post on Wiki. It is a well written account of the QIM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit_India_Movement

The movement sucked two years out of the Congress leadership and workers at a time when they were needed to concentrate on the unity of the country. By 1942, it was quiet evident that the Brits did not have it in them to continue to enslave India beyond couple of more years. Later accounts prove that the US had brought on enormous pressure on Brits to resolve the Indian independence issue. I have no doubt in my mind that some in the Congress leadership who were close to the Brits were aware of the US pressure.

The two years gave the ML enough uncontested playing field to establish itself with the Muslim masses in the central Provinces and gave them the ability to make deals in Punjab with the unionist and the leaders in Bengal.

At a crucial juncture, when the second WW had already shaken the empire badly, the Congress pretty much absented itself from the political arena thus allowing the fanatics on both sides of the aisle to take control of the public debate, a debate which was primarily communal in nature.

I have never believed in the theory that the Hindu Muslim relations had reached a breaking point before the Partition. The communal issues were mostly confined to central provinces. In the Muslim majority provinces there were only sporadic instances of violence but they were controllable and were controlled until the partition became a reality.

Let me reiterate again the Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhi and Pathan did not see creation of Pakistan as a communal issue. For them it was a step forward after what they got in India act of 1935. The act was the beginning of the provincial autonomy that the smaller provinces are still being denied in Pakistan. Let us just remember that the India act 1935 was not written to grant independence therefore, it had retained lots of powers for the GG, however, the act ushered in a new era of decentralization of Powers within India. The success of the Pakistan demand in the majority Muslim provinces was based on the India act of 1935.

I doubt that Jinnah cared a whole lot about the GG powers provisions in the Act but those same provisions in Pakistan were later used to demolish the hopes of the smaller provinces in Pakistan. (Well Bengal was not exactly a smaller province.)

Now someone can correct me on this but as far as I know the 1935 act as a whole was adopted as the provisional constitution of India until the final document was approved. The current Indian constitution borrows heavily from the 1935 act when it deals with the States and their rights within the Indian dominion.

#181 Zeemax

Dear Zee,

This is from the same TIME magazine article you quoted in your #225 in "Get Over the Victim Syndrome" in february 2007..

** In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration. ***

But then, you merely quoted the source. You did not type out the words. So now, you yourself can decide as to who is the liar....

Fantastic...
Oye Chaachay, bandaa ban jaa !!!!

Re: # 180 ijaz gul

Come on Mr Gul, don't be so coy :) ... we all want to know about this "mindset of 1935"... please enlighten us...

Re: # 181:-- I agree with your line of argument.This person Okhla seems to be suffering from some Intellectual Amnesia.

Re: # 180:-- Are you afraid of discusion or you are ill equipped.May be Eklavya is right.Or are you a psuedo ?

#176 Posted by okhla99,

Okhla Mian,

I never ONCE said that US administration did gyarwheen shareef itself. If you can't reproduce where I said that, then you're a liar.

As to who did it? I don't know. But it certainly was neither the US administration nor the 19 Easter bunnies plus a Santa Claus in Tora Bora.

I'll not oblige you

pavocavalry, hats off to you, again, sir. Had had the privilege of reading your 1857 series in original, which had changed my thinking about what it was possible for (at least some) Pakistanis to do with history.

But chowk is a peculiar place. Here nationalism and religion are understood in terms of something curious called 'INTERPRETATIONISM.' The argument is: if you can interpret things your way, why can't I interpret things my way? And I will gladly abuse and personally attack anyone and everyone to whom my interpretation sounds worse than ridiculous.

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ijaz_gul, a lot of Indians, like majumdar and I, now agree with your arguments that Gandhi was responsible for creating and leading the Khilafat movement, for moplah killings (where groups of Hindus killed each other) possibly, and definitely for forcing the creation of Pakistan - which was a blessing for you and for us.

Didn' know HP all the time understood things you were referring to. If you would like, please explain this 1935 mindset in detail for the rest of us, including any connections to the philosophy of mahabharata and guile of Chanakya that you see fit to mention. Thanks in advance.

When I frequently referred to the mindset of 1935 in my articles, HP was one of the first to undersatand it. So plz dont be so harsh in labelling him.

#175 pavo cavalry (prince albert victor's own ???)

Sir,
Hats off to you !!!

You have coined a fantastic word - "froend" which appears to be an amalgamation of "foe" with "friend".

Regards.

#zeemax various


ChachaZee,

Jhooth bolna achchhee baat naheen hai !!!!

In February 2007, you wanted us to believe that US itself had created 9/11.

All your original "conspiracy theories" have now been proved to be pure bunkum.

It is high time you decided to stick to facts and go low on conjecture.

All the best....

Source is Destruction of Democracy in Pakistan by an American jurist published by Oxford University Press.My froend Chief Justice Sajjad ALI Shah borrowed it in 2002 and has not returned it o date so I dont remember the authors name.

Re: # 172:-- MAJ also mistrusted the Bengalis.He was surounded by Hindustani Muslims who manipulated him into the faux pas of declaring Urdu only as the national language of Pakistan thus severely damaging Bengali self esteem.However in case of constitution the prime miister can be blamed.