The Conspiracy Theory

Re: # 79:-- I admire those tribesmen whatever their beliefs.I have not been to a mosque for 30 years and drink about a litre of Whiskey or Vodka but hats off to these indomitable tribesmen !

Re: # 79:-- Late Nawab Akbar Bugti taunted a Jaali Baloch Sardar ' What kind of Baloch you are , you sold a shopkeeper( Kansi being a mercantile tribe) to the Americans ! This is what I referred to.Kansi was three years my junior in school at Quetta.May God Bless his soul !

#28 Posted by masadi on December 9, 2007 5:35:30 am

Masadi..if the CIA did indeed bump off zia, why couldn't it bump off Castro and Chavez(or saddam before the iraq war)...

#47 Posted by pavocavalry

“who destroyed democracy in Pakistan Ghulam Mohammad and Iskandar Mirza were handpicked choice of MA Jinnah.”

You are now annoying me. Iskandar was the Deputy Commissioner Peshawar at the time of partition. Ghulam Mohammed along with ch. Mohd Ali, were big time ICS officers. Once they opted for Pakistan, they were accommodated in the Pakistan civil Service. What they did after Jinnah was not his fault neither he picked them to do what they did. Both Ghulam Mohammed and Iskandar Mirza became President and GG because they were supported by the army and especially Gen. Ayub Khan. Read Ayub Khan’s own book for better understanding of the Pakistan politics in 1950s.

Major Amin, I have never heard your name before nor do I read the Nation, a certified Pro army paper that still tows the army‘s Islamic line. Writing for Nation to me is a disqualification and not some thing that can be flaunted. But you seem to be in the habit of flaunting your credentials. Would your writing for the Columbia U and the Nation means that you are all knowledgeable?

I have no interest in flaunting my credentials which certainly are much better than a lowly major of the army who thinks he is an expert on the army affairs.
I don’t have time to read your articles you posted here but I am sure some Indians and I hope there are a few educated Indians(I doubt that seriously) on this site who would take up your assertions in the articles.

“The Congress was superior that is why they produced a constitution in 2 years.”

Congress was superior…that is some statement from a historian on a political party. You appear to be an amateur historian.

So you went to a school which has a branch on Murree road in Arya Mohalla, Rawalpindi. It shows!

Re: # 77:-- Belling the cat means total victory.Like Lenin in 1917.Like Khomeini in 1979.Like Aslam Watanjar in the Saur Inqilab in Afghanistan in 1978.Anyhow 100 marks to all those who struggled.As long as Punjab remains docile there can be no change in Government.

#76 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 11:52:03 am


The USA wanted bases to carry out surgical strikes in the future.


So?

Unless it is your contention that the US government was behind 9/11 and bin laden was a CIA agent who conveniently picked afghanistan to hide, it means nothing.

Re: # 84:-- You seem to be a class conscious guys.In discussion argue with facts,not by thinking that you are superior.Iskandar Mirza was Jinnah's handpicked choice as Defence Secretary.Ghulam Mohammad was Jinnah's handpicked choice as Finance Minister.If Jinnah had not kept Section 9 in the 1935 Act i.e the power to dismiss the assembly Ghulam Mohammad could not have dissolved the Assembly in 1954.Yes the Congress was a real party.The Hindus were more committed.Lastly my dear Saint Marys is in Lalazar in Rawalpindi Cantt.Since you seem to be class conscious.Argue with facts.

Re: # 84;-- For your kind information NATION is the only paper that really published articles criticising Musharraf.Correct your facts dear Sir.

Re: # 86:-- Anything is possible.This is the age of deception.

Speaking of conspiracy theories, here's the bat-shit-crazy as always author of mushy's book..

Bull in China's shop

Humayun Gauhar
America has two immediate objectives in Pakistan.
One: neuter our nuclear programme by bringing it under its control.
Two: get the Peoples Republic of China out of Pakistan; particularly out of every strategic advantage that it has there, otherwise its encirclement would be futile.
The latter is part of the US grand design, which has made it a bull in China's shop. There can only be one result: bull burgers, or perhaps sweet and sour bull. Everything else that it claims to be promoting, like 'democracy' and the ganging up of US stooges and agents euphemistically called 'moderate forces' are just weapons of mass destruction to create chaos and weaken us to achieve these two objectives.
Not to put too fine a point on it, America wants to make Pakistan a complete vassal state (partial it already is, like nearly all other countries, except China and Russia) that runs only according to its will and to its advantage. Some Pakistanis might find this an interesting proposition and even welcome it. Some would be happier still if we were to become America's 51st state. But the vast patriotic majority balks at this bleak possibility.
To achieve these nefarious objectives America is trying to create a false justification for political and military intervention - just as it did with Iraq - that Pakistan is the most dangerous place in the world because its nuclear arsenal is under tenuous control and will be totally out of control if Muslim extremists take over the state, of which, if America is to be believed, there is an imminent possibility (Actually, this could only happen if America does actually attack Pakistan either from the inside or outside).
Since Pakistan is much bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan, and far more powerful, they daren't attack it frontally. It could lead to Armageddon. So they are using the old Soviet trick that was applied in Afghanistan: force a stooge leader to 'invite' America into the country to restore peace and fight the militants.
Thus to make the danger of 'terrorists with Pakistani nukes rampant' sound real, America weakened President Musharraf (though it is Musharraf's fault for starting target practice on his foot with a single-minded obsession) and threw Pakistan's political process, which otherwise was well on course towards its next objective of elections after the parliaments had run their terms for the first time ever, into turmoil. When Musharraf was weakened enough they forcibly re-insinuated Benazir Bhutto into our body politic.
America and its Pakistani stooges talk ad nauseam of the rule of law, but to reintroduce Benazir into Pakistan, Musharraf had to make a complete mockery of the law - one law for her and another for the rest of us. Not a squeak out of America and its Pakistani stooges when that happened. To its utter disbelief the USA soon discovered that Benazir has become delusional and lives in a time warp.
Worse, far from being 'the most popular leader in Pakistan' who owns the 'only national party with the largest following' she is only a small time sub-nationalist from rural Sindh. America the Democrat has allowed Pakistan's Benazir off the hook because it bought this false notion thanks to the British and Benazir-hired PR firms and lobbyists.
To balance this, Mr Nawaz Sharif was also allowed back into the equation, though, needless to say, there is one law for him too and another for Benazir. How else could his and his brother's papers be rejected by the Election Commission? Because he has been convicted and she hasn't?
What nonsense! They could easily have made another perfidious law that would allow him specifically to contest elections regardless, but not any other convict. And as far as I know his brother has not been convicted of any crime. It would seem that America is promoting corruption in the name of democracy, anti-Islamism in the name of secularism and fascism in the name of moderation - fascism being the pursuit of the most retrogressive ends (like fortifying feudalism) by employing the most progressive rhetoric (Islamic Socialism). This is exactly what Father Bhutto's government achieved.
Mercifully, the chances that elections will make Benazir prime minister are near zilch. However, no party is likely to win a majority, so there will have to be a coalition government again. The chances that the PML-Q will win the most seats are the highest.
Chances are, too, that it will not need PPP seats to achieve a majority. But if the army is forced by America to force Benazir into the coalition with the PML-Q kicking and screaming, then we are in for chaos - precisely what America wants in order to enter 'this ungovernable country', for such a cat and dog coalition would not last long. But if by the time of the elections Musharraf has lifted the emergency, which he has officially said he might, then only the army will have the power to withstand US diktat. Who would bet on that?
President Musharraf has already warned the West against forcing its various versions of electoral democracy, which took them hundreds of years to achieve, down our throats. He should go further. When the emergency ends he will be a tiger with one tooth. What's the point?
A US-based opinion poll has it that Musharraf's popularity has increased to 74 percent after he became a civilian president and 79 percent feel that democracy will be strengthened. This is the time to strike. Musharraf has said that he will leave if the election results are not to his satisfaction.
Good. Why does he not really resign as president after the elections, enter politics formally, head his own political party and eventually become the prime minister himself? It won't take long, given the pathetic opposition. Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has offered that he is ready to vacate his position as president of the Pakistan Muslim League for Musharraf.
This is one hell of an offer, which will be good for Pakistan and good for Musharraf. He will be surprised at how many people from the 'silent majority' who always supported him but never went public join his party.
Niccolo Machiavelli said this about elections: "Each candidate behaved well in the hope of being judged worthy of election. However, this system was disastrous when the city had become corrupt. For then it was not the most virtuous but the most powerful who stood for elections, and the weak, even if virtuous, were too frightened to run for office."
E-mail: hgauhar@nation.com.pk

#76 Posted by pavocavalry,

Do they really need all these bases in Afghanistan when they've got floating islands in all seas?

Re: # :-- You need to brush up your assertions.Knowledge does not go by ranks.Worlds greatest military historian Liddell Hart was a captain ! Sivaji the father of guerrilla warfare was a low ranking Maratha Sardar.Generals like Guderian and Sharon acknowledged Lidell Harts contribution.You seemed to be immersed in class distinctions talking in terms like " Lowly major" .

Re: # 91:-- In surprise attack time and space matters.With these bases flying time to various future targets has been substantially reduced.This is a matter of precision target attacks and gunnery.

Re: # 90:--

This man's father destroyed the free press under Ayub Khan.

#87 Posted by pavocavalry
"Lastly my dear Saint Marys is in Lalazar in Rawalpindi Cantt."

I know the one in lalazar is a branch of the one in Araya Mohalla.

I am class conscious and you were trying to bring Marx and his theories in to the discussion. Now that I showed I know more about Marx and his theories, you are calling me class conscious!

"NATION is the only paper that really published articles criticising Musharraf."

When was the last time the paper criticized the Army. That is the true test. Musharaf is not the army, he is a product of the army.

people who can't distinguish between criticizing the army and criticizing Musharaf don't understand the political affairs.Period!

Re: # 95;-- If you are a Marxist I respect you .But terms like lowly Major contradict your viewpoint.I last wrote for NATION in June 2004.We had very close relation with Murtaza Bhutto.Anyhow stay in touch sir if you like.We come to know each other slowly.