The Good Monster: Musharraf's Cultural Legacy

#58 Posted by viqarm on December 12, 2007 11:59:22 pm


I realize that India considers J&K to be Indian territory. But that is where Pak and most Kashmiris have a minor disagreement with India. We do not accept it as Indian territory.


There's also the minor problem that you can't do anything about it..

wake up and smell the coffee...or don't...either way, indians don't give a shit..

Re: # 13
Love2love,
I come from a ghetto where I never learnt to read or write.You could see my profile to be doubly sure.

I began my comment by CULTURAL LEGACY.

My inference to his essay is implied in CULTURAL REVOLUTION. It is my inference because I come from the ghetto.
ok

Re: # 11

Ijaz, an interesting view. I have been watching PTV for sometime now, and ofcourse ARY, and GEO as well. What you say is true. However, the "liberal" component of the talks/discussions is limited. In the early days of the regime and early days of these channels the talks and discussions had the same song sheet, music sheet, and hymn sheet as the regime. Slowly they changed but essentially followed/toed the line. Even today, despite the hangamma over the banning they still follow the contours of the regime. What they lack is an element of intellectual depth. (I was a great of Moeed Pirzada's show on PTV - unfortunately the guests were an insult to Pirzada's nuanced questions and views).

This is in stark contrast to the Bangladeshi Channels. Where there a great deal of depth, LIBERALITY and PLURALITY of views. You will not find the same ruccous as on GEO/ARY etc but a great deal more civilised (perhaps???).

If at all there is a need for a revolution (cultural or otherwise), then it is to bridge this gap that one is needed. This is my opinion. I am wondering if this assessment is correct. (I am ofcourse discounting the the great Vernacular Language called English


(Please note: I hate and dislike the terms Vernacular, and Ethnic used by Desis to Describe WHAT IS THEIRS - mainstream for them. In fact For us Desis - Vernacular is English, and Ethnic is Western. This is a PoV, but hey, the world is not flat and the universe is not a sphere)

Dash,

Inshallah, in a generation or so there would be more Desi English speakers than English speakers anywhere else. And more English speakers than speakers of any other language in the Desh.

And hopefully all these English speakers would be gainfully employed as Peons of the West rather than flying planes into skyscrapers or making as ass of themselves on chowk.

Regards

Re: # 68 And hopefully all these English speakers would be gainfully employed as Peons of the West rather than flying planes into skyscrapers or making as ass of themselves on chowk.

you mean taking orders from the west, and accepting them as your masters. You been smoking too much bad weed these days Majumdar, that Afghani you trade with is doing the dirty on you, mate.

You need to change your dealer......

vanguard #54 " mean NFP is leaving behind AG Abdul Qayoom in bending over backwards to find a needle in haystack to praise Musharraf and which is not even a needle but some dried piece of dog shit. "

Well worth repeating.

Helllooooo, EVERYONE!
Why must we turn every post into a political 'pigwash' trough?
A fine write-up on a somewhat more beatific subject, by a commendable writer, has been turned into a silly name-calling, bad-mouthing Musharraf, fuzzy Pak-India-Kashmir'no-win/you-lose' tirade: and JELL-Os like 'masadi' [seems to be a hypochondriac!] and somewhat ruffled tahmed [hazy!], are having a field-day with their uncivility.
And, out of the hay pops 'bulleya' with his usual cynicism- dipped-in-acid, bereft of any sensible idea or statement......

#71 MateenMM: This article is in bad taste since it tries to present a lawless dictator as introducing "culture", while putting down the Pakistanis who are bravely fighting for freedom from military rule.

What do you find commendable in this writer?

Re: # 67
Dash_Dot,
Most TV Channels on news seldom discussed issues in the true perspective. Their talk shows were mostly based on day to day criticism by inviting guests from the shades in discussion. As such, they were more like discussion boards.

Perhaps one exception was Talat Hussain, who repeatedly made endeavours to take the discussions towards policy reviews but seldom succeeded. He then switched to a format in which he exclusively called analysts and scholars keeping politicians out. Though these shows created awareness, they fell on dumb ears.

Channels notwithstanding, the same divide in political parties is now applicable to mass media, judiciary and lawyers. Nusrat Javed said, ‘I have gone grey waiting for a revolution’. How right he is.

If someone has noticed, Mubbashir Luqman of Business Plus has become very vocal against government departments like land revenue and WAPDA to show criticism of the government. In fact what he is doing is to provide a substitute a la day to day travails and deflect thoughts from more serious policy matters.

I asked Beena Sarwar about the LIFAFA Culture, but she did not respond. But a chowkie who claims to be a journalist of repute laid aspersions on the credentials of people like Tammy Haq and Kamran Khan.

#72 tahmed. Exactly why I have been a bit untactful in putting [hazy!] after your name.
Why do you suppose that your 'opinion' is to be counted more than the 'opinion' of NFP, particularly if it is in sync with my [and others'] thinking??!
Be open - and hopeful for the future.....!!
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene,
The dark, unfathomed caves of ocean bear;
Full many a flower was born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air"

#72 tahmed. Exactly why I have been a bit untactful in putting [hazy!] after your name.
Why do you suppose that your 'opinion' is to be counted more than the 'opinion' of NFP, particularly if it is in sync with my [and others'] thinking??!
Be open - and hopeful for the future.....!!
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene,
The dark, unfathomed caves of ocean bear;
Full many a flower was born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air"

Tu shakh se kiyun phuta
mein shakh se kiyun toota
Manzil hai kahan teri
aye lala e seherai
Iqbal

#75 We are not talking opinions here - we are talking the brutal realities of Pakistan today: Pakistani judges have sacrificed their careers, lawyers have taken to the streets, in order to protect the rule of law in Pakistan. And Musharraf has put them behind bars. The murderers of peaceful demonstrators on May 12 roam free, while the dictator who sent armed men to kill them thinks Pakistan owes him the presidency. And these are just a few examples of the lawless behavior I mentioned.

I am very hopeful for the future - because character is what gives a nation a future. And the Pakistani nation has shown great character in refusing to allow this man to become another Hosni Mubarak, dictator for life. So, Pakistan's future is bright. It is the future of this dictator and his henchmen that is already mud - and their name will remain mud in history.

No stilled voices do I hear,
No forlorn faces my eyes do seek,
No slender arms bind me in warm embrace:
The ever-mourning winds of sorrow,
Sighing through chasms of dark hollows,
Blowing away misty mirth,
Setting adrift golden rays of waning sun;
Oh, Heavens! Suffuse me in your fulsome glow,
Carress me with streaks of silvery rays.....

Re: # 41

Romair and Tahmed Sahib:

Leader is simplest definition that I have found that a Leader is "Someone who with a group does more than what the group or the person can do alone."

There is ample evidence that Musharraff has delivered. Yes, I will not deny that my conclusion and rating might be biased. Please tell me, do you honestly believe that Pakistan without Musharraff would have been better with other alternatives - Benazir and Nawaz - on all the counts you mention? If you do not believe so, then why set a higher bar for Musharraff?

Only person I think who could come forth is this Aitzaz Ahsan. He has been jailed, confined deprived etc. etc. These things in my mind groom leaders, if they can survive. Be it in Burma, in the U.S. (Martin Luther King), be it in pre-independence India. I do not know much about him, if he has respect and following.

Mateen writes "Pakistani judges have sacrificed their careers, lawyers have taken to the streets, in order to protect the rule of law in Pakistan. And Musharraf has put them behind bars..."

He is merely trying to imitate the global dictatorship of his masters, the US elite. When world decision and consensus goes against them, they merely "fire it" like Musharraf did with the judges, form their own "coalition of the willing", stacked with corrupt, rat fart countries (like Musharraf's new judges). Global dictatorship by the US elite is what defines our era, the petty dictators merely imitate their higher masters who are their lifeline....