Riaz Jafri December 11, 2007
#103 Posted by zeemax on December 18, 2007 10:44:52 pm
#95 Posted by fuzair
... Zeemax and your ilk. Don't get too cozy with the Major. He is really a true-blue communist, not an Arab-Salafi apologist.
When did I say he was? Neither am I BTW. It is just shallowness of the interactors who refuse to see beyond trashy and stereotyped demonization of the Islamist movement as something purely rooted in religious dogma.
I have said many times that it is the same political armed struggle for the cause of socio-economic justice as was communism, but with the difference that the immense motivation provided by a base of religious sanction makes it a lot more potent. In all the Islamic insurgencies around the world, the main cause is liberation and not the establishment of an ideological Ummah (though nothing wrong with it if it was!)
# 92 by HP,
Shall it be assumed you have withdrawn your title of 'Lowly Major' for Pavocavlry? :)
... Zeemax and your ilk. Don't get too cozy with the Major. He is really a true-blue communist, not an Arab-Salafi apologist.
When did I say he was? Neither am I BTW. It is just shallowness of the interactors who refuse to see beyond trashy and stereotyped demonization of the Islamist movement as something purely rooted in religious dogma.
I have said many times that it is the same political armed struggle for the cause of socio-economic justice as was communism, but with the difference that the immense motivation provided by a base of religious sanction makes it a lot more potent. In all the Islamic insurgencies around the world, the main cause is liberation and not the establishment of an ideological Ummah (though nothing wrong with it if it was!)
# 92 by HP,
Shall it be assumed you have withdrawn your title of 'Lowly Major' for Pavocavlry? :)
#102 Posted by harish_hyd on December 18, 2007 8:53:11 pm
#101 by majumdar
That "someone" was me on UP (I had picked it up on dawn) and the cause incidentally of all things was Khilafat!!!
Sorry Majumdar bhai, I forgot it was you :-)
That "someone" was me on UP (I had picked it up on dawn) and the cause incidentally of all things was Khilafat!!!
Sorry Majumdar bhai, I forgot it was you :-)
#101 Posted by majumdar on December 18, 2007 8:51:41 pm
Harishbhai,
(Someone posted a letter (to the Viceroy perhaps) by Jinnah here in which he signs off as "we remain your humble servants" or something like that. )
That "someone" was me on UP (I had picked it up on dawn) and the cause incidentally of all things was Khilafat!!!
Regards
(Someone posted a letter (to the Viceroy perhaps) by Jinnah here in which he signs off as "we remain your humble servants" or something like that. )
That "someone" was me on UP (I had picked it up on dawn) and the cause incidentally of all things was Khilafat!!!
Regards
#100 Posted by harish_hyd on December 18, 2007 8:39:44 pm
#82 by zeemax
Syed Ahmed Khan (I don't call him Sir) had proclaimed himself in a letter to the Viceroy to be a dog at the feet of the British.
Someone posted a letter (to the Viceroy perhaps) by Jinnah here in which he signs off as "we remain your humble servants" or something like that.
Syed Ahmed Khan (I don't call him Sir) had proclaimed himself in a letter to the Viceroy to be a dog at the feet of the British.
Someone posted a letter (to the Viceroy perhaps) by Jinnah here in which he signs off as "we remain your humble servants" or something like that.
#99 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 5:21:00 pm
Re: # 91 Thanks .This piece was first printed in www.orbat.com and later in nation in June 2002 and again in August 2002.In orbat it outraged a large number of americans who sent some very angry responses.
#98 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 5:18:09 pm
Re: # 94 I have sent them all of these many days ago sir.
#97 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 5:17:16 pm
Re: # 95 The British did save the Muslims .That was the sad twist of fate.However this does not mean that the Muslims could remain British toadies for long.And this is what happened in many regions.
#95 Posted by fuzair on December 18, 2007 3:59:35 pm
Dear Major Sahib,
You yourself have written that the British, in effect, saved the Muslims of India from the Hindus/Sikhs. Punjab was ruled by the Sikhs and the Padishah Emperor was a de facto vassal of the Mahrattas. So, if the Muslims hadn't flocked to the service of the British (which they actually didn't but lets assume they did), we'd all be say Ram Ram and worshipping monkeys and drinking cow urine instead of giving ourselves concussions by banging our heads on the grounds five times a day. I personally prefer concussions to cow piss.
BTW, Urstruly, Zeemax and your ilk. Don't get too cozy with the Major. He is really a true-blue communist, not an Arab-Salafi apologist. He wants to stamp out Islam the same way Bush does, just for different reasons.
Regards.
You yourself have written that the British, in effect, saved the Muslims of India from the Hindus/Sikhs. Punjab was ruled by the Sikhs and the Padishah Emperor was a de facto vassal of the Mahrattas. So, if the Muslims hadn't flocked to the service of the British (which they actually didn't but lets assume they did), we'd all be say Ram Ram and worshipping monkeys and drinking cow urine instead of giving ourselves concussions by banging our heads on the grounds five times a day. I personally prefer concussions to cow piss.
BTW, Urstruly, Zeemax and your ilk. Don't get too cozy with the Major. He is really a true-blue communist, not an Arab-Salafi apologist. He wants to stamp out Islam the same way Bush does, just for different reasons.
Regards.
#94 Posted by viqarm on December 18, 2007 3:03:36 pm
Re: # 85 Agha Amin
Sir, would you consider posting some of your iLog posts into FP so there could be a discussion?
I have only read one piece, about the looming disintegration of Pakistan. Sadly, albeit with some reservations about the Lal Masjid affair, I agree with most of what you say. I have been saying similar things in my posts here, and in other Pak forums.
Sir, would you consider posting some of your iLog posts into FP so there could be a discussion?
I have only read one piece, about the looming disintegration of Pakistan. Sadly, albeit with some reservations about the Lal Masjid affair, I agree with most of what you say. I have been saying similar things in my posts here, and in other Pak forums.
#93 Posted by arjun8 on December 18, 2007 1:53:23 pm
#88 Posted by Urstruly on December 18, 2007 10:32:34 am
And I expect that they will fight tooth to nail before fleeing to Dubai and Canada.
Maulana sahab: the "cantonment kuttas", as echoboom would call them, are sitting pretty in islamabad an rawalpindi while you're in flint michigan, paying taxes to the great satan...in fact, it's your taxes that probably purchased the white phosphorus that baked the ninja chix..
And I expect that they will fight tooth to nail before fleeing to Dubai and Canada.
Maulana sahab: the "cantonment kuttas", as echoboom would call them, are sitting pretty in islamabad an rawalpindi while you're in flint michigan, paying taxes to the great satan...in fact, it's your taxes that probably purchased the white phosphorus that baked the ninja chix..
#92 Posted by HP on December 18, 2007 1:50:12 pm
#89 Posted by pavocavalry
You need to submit some of your articles to chowk for publishing. Some concepts are worth discussing. I cant read them all now.
Holidays are coming and I will have time to go over your articles and discuss your ideas.
Thanks.
You need to submit some of your articles to chowk for publishing. Some concepts are worth discussing. I cant read them all now.
Holidays are coming and I will have time to go over your articles and discuss your ideas.
Thanks.
#91 Posted by zeemax on December 18, 2007 12:22:50 pm
#84 Posted by pavocavalry,
I read all your iLogs. Favourite quote:
WHAT USA SEEKS TO DESTROY
If we are in any case condemned to be sub humans in a world order dominated by the G-7 and have no other recourse but to fight with bomb, dagger or suicide explosive pack then so be it.
Jala kay Mashal-i-Jaan, Hum Junoon-Sifaat Chalay. Jo Ghar ko aag lagaay, hamarey saath chalay.
I read all your iLogs. Favourite quote:
WHAT USA SEEKS TO DESTROY
If we are in any case condemned to be sub humans in a world order dominated by the G-7 and have no other recourse but to fight with bomb, dagger or suicide explosive pack then so be it.
Jala kay Mashal-i-Jaan, Hum Junoon-Sifaat Chalay. Jo Ghar ko aag lagaay, hamarey saath chalay.
#90 Posted by queen_cut_paste on December 18, 2007 11:25:24 am
Wah, beton, wah!
This Ménage à trois between Urstruly, Pavocalvary, and Zeemax brings tears of joy to your eyes.
Mardoodon, Pakistan ka kya matlab? Islam is a binding force and should be the primary motive here. Urstruly, you being a jinahdi almost fidayeen, should understand this.
But see you you trois together scratching each others back should make people realise what is really at stake here.
Army forever.
Pakistan Army Paindabad.
This Ménage à trois between Urstruly, Pavocalvary, and Zeemax brings tears of joy to your eyes.
Mardoodon, Pakistan ka kya matlab? Islam is a binding force and should be the primary motive here. Urstruly, you being a jinahdi almost fidayeen, should understand this.
But see you you trois together scratching each others back should make people realise what is really at stake here.
Army forever.
Pakistan Army Paindabad.
#89 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 10:37:37 am
yes sir , i think 2008 and 2009 will be very bloody years.
#88 Posted by Urstruly on December 18, 2007 10:32:34 am
Re: # 87
Unfortunately, I do not see one single man in this class of oppressors to realize that a magna carta is badly needed to keep their own heads on their shouldres in a very near future. East Pakistan episode should have been a wake up call and almost all of them managed to save their heads not because they were smart but because of the geography of the two parts of the coutry. Now there remains no such luxury any more. And I expect that they will fight tooth to nail before fleeing to Dubai and Canada.
Unfortunately, I do not see one single man in this class of oppressors to realize that a magna carta is badly needed to keep their own heads on their shouldres in a very near future. East Pakistan episode should have been a wake up call and almost all of them managed to save their heads not because they were smart but because of the geography of the two parts of the coutry. Now there remains no such luxury any more. And I expect that they will fight tooth to nail before fleeing to Dubai and Canada.
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