Islam and Hijab-Murder in Canada

Dost-mittar #57:

Dowry burning is a curse like honor-killing whether it has any thing to do with any religion or not. It's a cultural disease like killing the non-hijabis. All such practices whether sanctioned by any religion or not should be condemned. They should be condemned not for religious reasons but because they are against human nature. Such condemnation will then become universal.

Mohammad Gill

"Aqsa’s murder a beacon of hope, a wake-up call

WASHINGTON: “I hope she becomes a beacon of hope for all the girls who are in a similar situation living like a hostage in their homes,” a Pakistani-Canadian has said, commenting on 16-year-old Aqsa Parvez’s murder by her father because she would not wear the hijab.

Syed Shah, an IT specialist, told the Toronto Sun that Aqsa’s “tragic demise should be an eye opener for those ‘traditional’ fathers who are living in Canada yet are still trapped in the 15th century mind frame. They cannot and should not expect their daughters to live in bustling Mississauga and bear a mindset of a girl living in any rural part in Pakistan. The two just don’t go together.” The irony, he pointed out, is that immigrants come here seeking the freedom of Canada, but some forget that the hard-fought right now extends to their families. “The alternative is Saudi Arabia. Why don’t they pick that?” he added.

Aqsa Parvez was secretly buried on Saturday, “her tragic murder still reverberating through a city that remains shocked and horrified,” according to the Canadian daily. “We see her beautiful face everywhere, on the TV news and the newspapers, her haunting dark brown eyes bright with such promise and excitement at what life had to offer. Life that was suddenly cut short at 16, allegedly by an Old World father who could not tolerate her need to distance herself from his suffocating control, and the dictates of his religion,” the paper wrote."

A few murders like this and there will light at the end of the Islamic family tunnel.

Tragic though it is, the death of aqsa should’t go in vain, Canadian social services and civil socirty groups should devise some plan of action so that similar tragedy should not happen again.

In the 80’s and 90’s in UK, honour killings and girls running away from home because of strict parents, arrange marriages, abusive husbands etc, were quite frequent.
Social workers, teachers and police were alerted of this problem, around a dozen hostels were built in the country to accommodate these girls. Police and social workers “snatch squad” were created who removed these girls from their “problem” parents and placed them in hostels with 24 hour security.

Canada has an advantage over UK in that most migrants there are educated and professional, therefore it is far easier for them to adjust to their new adopted land.

congratulations to all muslims...the land of the keeper of the mosques moves on to the 18th century..!! yipee progress...

Report: Saudi King Pardons Teen Female Rape Victim Sentenced to 200 Lashes

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has pardoned a female rape victim who had been sentenced to 200 lashes for being alone with a man at the time of the attack who was not related to her, a Saudi newspaper reported Monday.

The case had sparked international outcry. In a rare criticism of its Mideast ally, the White House had expressed its "astonishment" over the woman's sentence. Canada called it barbaric.

Saudi Justice Minister Abdullah bin Muhammed al-Sheik told al-Jazirah newspaper that the pardon does not mean the king doubted the country's judges, but instead acted in the "interests of the people."

...contd...

... and while you're at it, kindly explain 'how' did you arrive at your conclusion below that firstly the girl was murdered; and secondly if she was then it was because of her refusing to wear a hijab.

"And, not to forget! Revolting against vestige of an old custom – wearing hijab, an innocent girl has been strangled to death. She should not have died."

Thanks.

#58 Posted by TahirQazi,

I don't have a clue what're you talking about. Where did I say I was "a proponent of physical violence on the basis of topic of an article …" ? What I was saying is that your title accuses Islam and Hijab as being responsible for what clearly appears to be a common incidence of domestic violence gone seriously wrong, the full details of which are yet to emerge.

Of-course you didn't do your homework before embarking upon an Islamophobic dance ritual.

The Edmonton Chronicle article I reproduced, giving the testimonies of friends of the family including the girl with whom the victim was staying after leaving her family, proves that.

Sati does not have religious sanction. There are vague references to Sati in some of the old texts, but we do not find any real examples of it until the 1400s when Rajput women thought it better to die in their husbands' pyres than be taken as sex slaves by invading Muslim armies.

Re: # 57

Dost sahib:

"...The suttee, did indeed have religious sanction..."

Is(are) there any written or verbal authority(ies) in Hindu religion that gives sanction to Suttee? Please let me know?

freethinker #52: Dr. Gill Sahib: Your thoughtfulness is much appreciated. Like always, its great. Thanks a lot.

dost_mittar #57: Very interesting observation! Long ago when I was going through some of Upanishads, I did not feel that suttee was coming out of scriptures but you do have a point and its about human nature.

Do you think that violence is in human nature that plays upon social and cultural stage? I am wondering if violence is innate, how come there is security in some societies more than others? Is there a role for education to tone down human nature?

zeemax # 56: So you are telling me that you are a proponent of physical violence on the basis of topic of an article … Did I hear you right? I believe you are smarter and you can definitely argue better than threats of violence. Step up to your real potentials – Recognize them and shine them please. You can surely do better!

Regards,

Tahir

freethinker#32:

A small correction. Dowry burning is not a religious custom, it is (I believe) a recent practice by greedy in-laws. The suttee, did indeed have religious sanction. It is ironic that while suttee, which had a religious sanction, has almost disappeared, the social disease of dowry burning has not.

#51 Posted by TahirQazi,

Sir, you could be who’s who of this planet but you owe me an apology … plain and simple.


Sure. As soon as you explain your choice of this article's title to me.

#35 Posted by anil Re: # 16

"...because she wanted to be with her canadian boyfriends..." Is this crime enough to be killed ? I would like to hear your opinion.

Of-course not. Who in their right minds would say it was?

However, all indications are it was not murder at all, and a case of domestic violence gone seriously wrong.

But surely the author and his ilk will start yelling Islam Islam .. Murder murder etc as soon as they read their first news report.

Remember how Bob Woolmer was 'murdered' by his jihadi team before the autopsy results came in?

Re: # 50

dehliwala, regarding the hijabi girl cheating...

FANTASTIC.

I support cheating in all forms during examinations. It truly seperates the intelligent from the sheep. I say bravo! That girl knows how to work the system, and is porbably doing quite well somewhere ...

Your article is quite interesting, but I really think that you should go back to your basics and try to learn what really is hijab,when is it to be worn,by whome is it to be worn and what conditions is to be worn. It is not that I am accepting the misdeeds of someone. What the man has done is wrong and there can never be two ways about it but you my friend need very serious rethinking about concept of Islam

Dr. Qazi Sahib:

There is no need for any legislation against hijab; on the other hand, there is a need for eliminating the legislation of hijab by the enforcement of hudood regulation in Pakistan and other conservative Muslim countries. Observance of hijab should be a purely personal thing. It should be okay for them who want to observe it and there should be no compulsion on others who do not want to observe it. Such outdated practices wouldn’t disappear any time soon; they’ll take their own time to fade away. Education will help in removing such customs from human culture.

Such undesirable customs exist in almost all the cultures. Burning of the Hindu brides who were not able to fetch a considerable jahez is one such custom, for example, in the Hindu society. The custom of sutee (burning alive of widows at the pyres of their deceased Hindu husbands) was abolished in India by the British rulers in the nineteenth century although such incidents occur even now here and there in some parts of India.

Society resists aggressively if such customs are condemned forcefully. The people should be educated to rescind such customs voluntarily. There is now a great deal of awareness regarding the downside of forcible enforcement of hijab thanks to writers like you and others. And this educational campaign should be continued.

Mohammad Gill

Issues confronting Muslims are much bigger than stupid Hijab and please don’t limit scope of violence to Muslim women only. The issue is human emancipation!

Specifically though, from bickering at home to torture of loud sermons by mullahs to murder in the name of honor is the spectrum of moral-violence. Explanations are only justifications for controlling women … Get real please.

freethinker #19: Dear Dr. Gill Sahib –Do you think legislation against Hijab etc etc can help raise consciousness about faith/culture based violence? Kindly, weigh in. The bar for interaction/comments is higher for a scholar like yourself (It’s a compliment).

dehiwala #46: Impressive … I am a student of psychology and admire SF. In this instance I found Kant to be more relevant because of social slant in that quote and by the way that’s what came to my mind while writing quickly.

What determines values and how do values change in a culture is an important but GENERATIONAL issue. There is some good research on this subject - Value Survey of the World. The data was collected from 81 countries for more than 20 years. If you can spare few minutes, please have a look at the following; particularly Question #3:

http://familyofheart.com/07/Dec01/Comments_TQ.htm

hurricane #28: I am glad that you are angry. Any reasonable person would be and should be angry. There is no other normal reaction on senseless crimes.

zeemax #30: Don’t you feel your remarks “guillotine park [for] these munafiques like this writer” are over the top. Sir, you could be who’s who of this planet but you owe me an apology … plain and simple.

Regards,

Tahir