Asra Nadeem December 19, 2007
#33 Posted by SR on December 21, 2007 11:07:37 am
Re: # 10 Urstruly ["...They have made it impossible for people like us to earn rizq-e-halal in Pakistan..."]
What a cop-out and a terribly lame excuse.
There is pleanty of rizk-i-hilal... believe me, I am presently (as of six months ago) living in Pakistan and will perhaps do so for a few more years if not longer (despite the "noise pollution" my neighborhood mosques spew out before dawn every morning), and I didn't even have the same "longings" as you profess to have.
# 10 Urstruly ["... Yes we have money and all that that money can buy but nothing can replace even a spec of dust that flies on the dusty roads in Pakistan..."]
Commone back... rizk-i-hilal is everywhere here, but you seem to be addicted to gluttony, and THAT is what you won't find here, at least not in hilal form.
Re: # 10 Urstruly ["...I am .. forced to live in this cold, bland and godforsaken place..."]
No one is forcing you except your materialist greed and gluttony. If you are THAT miserable, why the hell are you there.
I left America for a lot less. Had no problems with my surroundings and social set-up. In fact I love much about America's people and civil society. Yet we decided to leave there because of certain fundamental principles. And if things revert back to the mean some day we shall return.
You, on the other hand, despite your crocodile tears, continue to fund the Pentagon with your tax dollars and continue to be a passive accomplice to the crimes against humanity that you continue to decry. Your hypocracy is shameful.
# 10 Urstruly ["...Not a day goes by when my eyes are not welled up thinking about the streets and people I grew up with Damn them! Be God's curse upon them! for they stolen my country from me..."]
This is just a lot of dramma. I am ashamed of you. I was not sure about you until today and always gave you the benefit of doubt thinking that you might actually be sincere, but only misguided. But this message has betrayed your true colors. You sir are a dramma baz munafiq ...
...SR
What a cop-out and a terribly lame excuse.
There is pleanty of rizk-i-hilal... believe me, I am presently (as of six months ago) living in Pakistan and will perhaps do so for a few more years if not longer (despite the "noise pollution" my neighborhood mosques spew out before dawn every morning), and I didn't even have the same "longings" as you profess to have.
# 10 Urstruly ["... Yes we have money and all that that money can buy but nothing can replace even a spec of dust that flies on the dusty roads in Pakistan..."]
Commone back... rizk-i-hilal is everywhere here, but you seem to be addicted to gluttony, and THAT is what you won't find here, at least not in hilal form.
Re: # 10 Urstruly ["...I am .. forced to live in this cold, bland and godforsaken place..."]
No one is forcing you except your materialist greed and gluttony. If you are THAT miserable, why the hell are you there.
I left America for a lot less. Had no problems with my surroundings and social set-up. In fact I love much about America's people and civil society. Yet we decided to leave there because of certain fundamental principles. And if things revert back to the mean some day we shall return.
You, on the other hand, despite your crocodile tears, continue to fund the Pentagon with your tax dollars and continue to be a passive accomplice to the crimes against humanity that you continue to decry. Your hypocracy is shameful.
# 10 Urstruly ["...Not a day goes by when my eyes are not welled up thinking about the streets and people I grew up with Damn them! Be God's curse upon them! for they stolen my country from me..."]
This is just a lot of dramma. I am ashamed of you. I was not sure about you until today and always gave you the benefit of doubt thinking that you might actually be sincere, but only misguided. But this message has betrayed your true colors. You sir are a dramma baz munafiq ...
...SR
#34 Posted by tahmed32 on December 21, 2007 11:19:08 am
#23 hamidm: so what did i say? i said that Imran Khan was part of the solution. not the solution.
Aitezaz Ahsan's son was sharp as a razor when he dealt with Musharraf's three clowns who were sent over to the US to put lipstick on a pig (to borrow from arjun's repertoire of three phrases that he has been using up all these years). So, if the tree is close to the apple that fell from it, I think Aitezaz is one smart cookie too (to mix metaphors). But, again, it is not about one personality only. There are thousands of Aitezaz Ahsan's who are fighting to liberate Pakistan from the Hosni Mubarak-wannabe.
Aitezaz Ahsan's son was sharp as a razor when he dealt with Musharraf's three clowns who were sent over to the US to put lipstick on a pig (to borrow from arjun's repertoire of three phrases that he has been using up all these years). So, if the tree is close to the apple that fell from it, I think Aitezaz is one smart cookie too (to mix metaphors). But, again, it is not about one personality only. There are thousands of Aitezaz Ahsan's who are fighting to liberate Pakistan from the Hosni Mubarak-wannabe.
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on December 21, 2007 11:40:42 am
nasah: eid mubarak to you too.
and may Allah give you a flying horse that leaves arjun's flying pig coughing in the dust while hamidm watches in envy while lying flat on his back outside the bar after having had one too many .
and may Allah give you a flying horse that leaves arjun's flying pig coughing in the dust while hamidm watches in envy while lying flat on his back outside the bar after having had one too many .
#36 Posted by anil on December 21, 2007 11:41:44 am
Re: # 29
Massaddi Mian:
"...Hypocrisy thy name is tahmed. Here is a person who was preaching to us as well as to IK that he should stay out of politics and concentrate on his charity work like Eidi, and now he does a turnaround,..."
I am convinced you are dyslexic and reading challenge too. Tahmed sahib corrected and said Khan sahib should be active in politics, in answer to my suggestion for Khan sahib to concentrate on other things than politics.
There are classes available for the dyslexics and reading challenged.
Massaddi Mian:
"...Hypocrisy thy name is tahmed. Here is a person who was preaching to us as well as to IK that he should stay out of politics and concentrate on his charity work like Eidi, and now he does a turnaround,..."
I am convinced you are dyslexic and reading challenge too. Tahmed sahib corrected and said Khan sahib should be active in politics, in answer to my suggestion for Khan sahib to concentrate on other things than politics.
There are classes available for the dyslexics and reading challenged.
#37 Posted by anil on December 21, 2007 11:47:26 am
Re: # 35
Tahmed sahib:
"....and may Allah give you a flying horse that leaves arjun's flying pig coughing in the dust while hamidm watches in envy while lying flat on his back outside the bar after having had one too many ...."
Too much in one sentence.
Eid mubarak ho, if it is too late, then in advance.
Tahmed sahib:
"....and may Allah give you a flying horse that leaves arjun's flying pig coughing in the dust while hamidm watches in envy while lying flat on his back outside the bar after having had one too many ...."
Too much in one sentence.
Eid mubarak ho, if it is too late, then in advance.
#38 Posted by bulleya on December 21, 2007 12:20:31 pm
Urstruly #: ...there is nothing stopping anyone from returning to pakistan.......economically, pakistan is doing better than it has done in thirty five years.......had musharraf not created this judiciary fiasco, i would have started to, slowly, change my rating of pakistan from sell to hold......
....i am spending a lot of time with pakistani companies now.......they are looking for people with experience in usa........uptil the point that pakistan had not gotten into the bombing of waziristan, with the couter explosions in pakistan, pakistanis had actually started returning to pakistan, in quite a large number....pakistanis born in uk were actually coming to pakistan......and at very high salaries......
i believe you are a engineer.......you won't have any problems finding a good well paying job in pakistan......the private sector in pakistan is quite a lucrative place, and is, generally, a nice place to work.....,
on the other hand, if you are not interested in going back to pakistan, there is nothing wrong with that......it's everyone's personal choice.......
however, in such a case, could i request you to hold off on the drama-baazi......it makes all us pakistanis look bad......it is no different than maulana fazl's drama-bazi..
p.s. email your resume to me.....i shouldn't have too much problem hooking your up with the right people.......
....i am spending a lot of time with pakistani companies now.......they are looking for people with experience in usa........uptil the point that pakistan had not gotten into the bombing of waziristan, with the couter explosions in pakistan, pakistanis had actually started returning to pakistan, in quite a large number....pakistanis born in uk were actually coming to pakistan......and at very high salaries......
i believe you are a engineer.......you won't have any problems finding a good well paying job in pakistan......the private sector in pakistan is quite a lucrative place, and is, generally, a nice place to work.....,
on the other hand, if you are not interested in going back to pakistan, there is nothing wrong with that......it's everyone's personal choice.......
however, in such a case, could i request you to hold off on the drama-baazi......it makes all us pakistanis look bad......it is no different than maulana fazl's drama-bazi..
p.s. email your resume to me.....i shouldn't have too much problem hooking your up with the right people.......
#39 Posted by rf786 on December 21, 2007 12:28:46 pm
Re: # 32
bulleya,
Pakistan is a federation that has a Parliamentary form of Govt, for people like IK to succeed they need to establish political parties with grass root support. Unfortunately, does not have the political stature, patience, vision or sincerity that basically annuls the personality and makes the part supreme. IK like all other political lotas suffers from the same dictatorial, selfish tendencies thus the Tehreek e Imran rather than the Tehreek e Insaaf.
Ch Aitezaz in my opinion is a far bigger personality than IK , CH Aitezaz has done what no other politician has ever dared to even imagine for one very simple reason, CA was sincere in his cause whereas all of the political leaders have their selfish agendas. Sadly, CA has to work with PPP, that is his vote bank, without PPP, Chaudhry Sahib cannot even think of contesting from anywhere in Pakistan.
As for the feudal, piri mureedi culture that is a fact of life and by the way Chaudhry Aitezaz Hussein does not come from a humble background, his roots are also from a feudal family and his grandfather was reputed to have resisted schooling for the locals in his area. Same can be said for Imran Khan Niazi, literally born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Point being, whether they are rich or poor should not matter, what matters to the voter is their political sincerity, manifesto and credentials.
Same
bulleya,
Pakistan is a federation that has a Parliamentary form of Govt, for people like IK to succeed they need to establish political parties with grass root support. Unfortunately, does not have the political stature, patience, vision or sincerity that basically annuls the personality and makes the part supreme. IK like all other political lotas suffers from the same dictatorial, selfish tendencies thus the Tehreek e Imran rather than the Tehreek e Insaaf.
Ch Aitezaz in my opinion is a far bigger personality than IK , CH Aitezaz has done what no other politician has ever dared to even imagine for one very simple reason, CA was sincere in his cause whereas all of the political leaders have their selfish agendas. Sadly, CA has to work with PPP, that is his vote bank, without PPP, Chaudhry Sahib cannot even think of contesting from anywhere in Pakistan.
As for the feudal, piri mureedi culture that is a fact of life and by the way Chaudhry Aitezaz Hussein does not come from a humble background, his roots are also from a feudal family and his grandfather was reputed to have resisted schooling for the locals in his area. Same can be said for Imran Khan Niazi, literally born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Point being, whether they are rich or poor should not matter, what matters to the voter is their political sincerity, manifesto and credentials.
Same
#40 Posted by arjun11 on December 21, 2007 1:32:28 pm
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#41 Posted by masadi on December 21, 2007 1:49:32 pm
Anil writes : " am convinced you are dyslexic and reading challenge too. Tahmed sahib corrected and said Khan sahib should be active in politics"
Unlike Anil (and I will spare the expletives for now) who has no clue about what he writes. I know exactly what tahmed said. Reproduced under is a quote from him from 2006 that he recently repeated in our political discussions a few months back as well:
"#37 Posted by tahmed32 on December 26, 2006 5:57:10 am
#36 Good summary. I had the chance a few years ago to listen to Iram Khan speak politics and ask questions. I asked him one question: Given his ability to raise funds as demonstrated by the cancer hospital, why not just work outside the government (rather than wasting his time in politics) to start up more schools and hospitals in Pakistan?
His answer: In Pakistan it is very difficult to get anything done unless you had political power.
That didnt strike me as a particularly straight answer. "
URL: http://www.chowk.com/interacts/11483/1/0/176#304511
Unlike Anil (and I will spare the expletives for now) who has no clue about what he writes. I know exactly what tahmed said. Reproduced under is a quote from him from 2006 that he recently repeated in our political discussions a few months back as well:
"#37 Posted by tahmed32 on December 26, 2006 5:57:10 am
#36 Good summary. I had the chance a few years ago to listen to Iram Khan speak politics and ask questions. I asked him one question: Given his ability to raise funds as demonstrated by the cancer hospital, why not just work outside the government (rather than wasting his time in politics) to start up more schools and hospitals in Pakistan?
His answer: In Pakistan it is very difficult to get anything done unless you had political power.
That didnt strike me as a particularly straight answer. "
URL: http://www.chowk.com/interacts/11483/1/0/176#304511
#42 Posted by anil on December 21, 2007 2:14:48 pm
Re: # 41
Massaddi Mian:
World changes a lot. Read what Tahmed sahib wrote only a few weeks ago.
For you the run is between 7th Century and Mills.
Massaddi Mian:
World changes a lot. Read what Tahmed sahib wrote only a few weeks ago.
For you the run is between 7th Century and Mills.
#43 Posted by anil on December 21, 2007 2:16:15 pm
Re: # 42
Massaddi Mian:
Another possibility is that you may have lost short term memory , or never had one. That can explain Tahmed Sahib issue, and your course between 7th Century and Mills.
Massaddi Mian:
Another possibility is that you may have lost short term memory , or never had one. That can explain Tahmed Sahib issue, and your course between 7th Century and Mills.
#44 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 21, 2007 5:57:22 pm
Re: # 38 Generally what type of salaries expected to get ?
What is average cost to live in big city like Karachi ? The price of living place is so high how a person with no base
can afford bye ?
I am told except IT all others have no great salary.
Thanks
What is average cost to live in big city like Karachi ? The price of living place is so high how a person with no base
can afford bye ?
I am told except IT all others have no great salary.
Thanks
#45 Posted by masadi on December 21, 2007 6:04:03 pm
anil writes "World changes a lot. Read what Tahmed sahib wrote only a few weeks ago"
What he wrote or didn't write is immaterial. His likes and dislikes fluctuate with the desires of the US elite. His ideas about benazir and Musharraf have similarly fluctuated as have his ideas regarding the Mujahideen of the 1980s and the Taliban of the 1990s....The guy is as spineless as they come, you are a very close second...
What he wrote or didn't write is immaterial. His likes and dislikes fluctuate with the desires of the US elite. His ideas about benazir and Musharraf have similarly fluctuated as have his ideas regarding the Mujahideen of the 1980s and the Taliban of the 1990s....The guy is as spineless as they come, you are a very close second...
#46 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 21, 2007 6:05:23 pm
Re: # 44 Basically the prices in Karachi are so high that unless one have place ( parents living ) even with good salary its hard to live with salary which is good. In smaller cities it is possible but why they will accept foreign trained people when they can find people to do same work at very low price. Any little piece of land is like gold. It appears all overworld major cities are making impossible for young nonnative almost impossible economically.
#47 Posted by anil on December 21, 2007 10:22:10 pm
Re: # 45
Massaddi Mian:
At least in this post you are not abusive and finally decided to use illogical logic of your obsession with / theory of Elites. It is good to know that despite your obsession you decide to not involve yourself in abusive language. You do have a great mind, I must say.
Massaddi Mian:
At least in this post you are not abusive and finally decided to use illogical logic of your obsession with / theory of Elites. It is good to know that despite your obsession you decide to not involve yourself in abusive language. You do have a great mind, I must say.
#48 Posted by nasah on December 21, 2007 11:10:00 pm
"masadi: That is a lame bakra of an excuse you make for killing poor animals and calling it sacrifice, i.e. the excuse that you "sacrificed" your money to buy the poor animal. Understand this: you "spend", not "sacrifice", money to buy food!!"(tahmed)
you can say that again -- tahmed.
'Sacrifice' my foot -- the mass murder of poor animals to make God happy -- is a practice of the 14th century barbarian morality -- that has also filtered in Islamist's Jihad as the homicide bombing.
How primitive and aborrhent -- that you can please God by the cruel massacre of God's animals big and small in millions and millions years after years for centiuries.
It is no better than the pagan Americans -- killing millions of Turkeys for their barbaric thanksgiving day every year -- for no thanks to that the blind "Creator" -- who supposedly created America for the red Indians but gave it to the white Americans.
Both thankssgiving and Baqar-e Eid -- are by no means a "happy thanksgiving" or "Happy Eid" -- for the poor animals -- both should be banned in civilized countries as cruelities against animals.
you can say that again -- tahmed.
'Sacrifice' my foot -- the mass murder of poor animals to make God happy -- is a practice of the 14th century barbarian morality -- that has also filtered in Islamist's Jihad as the homicide bombing.
How primitive and aborrhent -- that you can please God by the cruel massacre of God's animals big and small in millions and millions years after years for centiuries.
It is no better than the pagan Americans -- killing millions of Turkeys for their barbaric thanksgiving day every year -- for no thanks to that the blind "Creator" -- who supposedly created America for the red Indians but gave it to the white Americans.
Both thankssgiving and Baqar-e Eid -- are by no means a "happy thanksgiving" or "Happy Eid" -- for the poor animals -- both should be banned in civilized countries as cruelities against animals.
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