Aqsa Pervez: The Casualty of Patriarchy

Instead of coming up with chastity belt and patriarchic theories, just acknowledge that a murderous Muslim male killed his daughter in a rage like it happens every day in Islamic world. Jordan leading the pack of animals in Honor killing (including Israeli administered territories), followed by Egyptians, and Pakistanis not so far behind. Leave the anthropology out of Honor killings condoned by muslim awareness.

Re: # 17

Why, Kunkil? Why is it necessary to limit patriarchy and androcentricity to only conservative Muslim communities? Isn't that a form of intellectual dissemblance?

Re # 18 Neembusri, where did I say it was necessary? and Desis and moderate Muslims are also included. Now your turn to comment on the article.

#18 Posted by neembu on December 22, 2007 12:54:40 pm


Why is it necessary to limit patriarchy and androcentricity to only conservative Muslim communities?


yes...take a look at the rate of women's participation in the workforce for any other group..you can't tell me that's not because of "androcentricity" in the muslim community..

chowkid1. Participation in workforce is not the only way for ladies to contribute to their families and their communities.

Instead of getting caught up in this androcitrus tangle, why not look at the broad picture?

#21 Posted by Eklavya on December 22, 2007 4:53:41 pm


chowkid1. Participation in workforce is not the only way for ladies to contribute to their families and their communities.


that post, like all your posts, made no sense at all..

at issue here is the patriarchal structure of muslim society..something that workforce participation numbers clearly reflect...only a muslim in deep denial would say that muslim women have the same workforce participation numbers as hindu or sikh women..

If those workforce participation rates differ, only androcitrus bias would lead us to blindly assume that Muslim women are unhappy with the situation.

It's at least possible, and perfectly plausible, that Muslim women actually enjoy and excercise their freedom to not participate in the workforce.

beej: [Tell you what, I shall act...

I denounce abortion here and now...]


Beej, as you perhaps already know, talk is cheap...and cheap talk is not an alternative for action. In the time that it took you to write your "denunciation", dozens of female fetuses were aborted in India. Can you look a dead female fetus in its 'eyes' and say that you only had time to "denounce" its murder, because you were too busy worrying about issues of grown women elsewhere?

Again, charity should begin at home. Let your worries and the full fire power of your rhetoric be wholly dedicated to granting female fetuses in india the right to live and grow into adult women. Until this issue is sufficiently addressed, the hindoo "men" should declare a moratorium on worrying about women's rights elsewhere. What do you say, Beej?

or do you have some skeletons in your closets you want to fess upto?

#23 Posted by Eklavya on December 22, 2007 7:00:51 pm


only androcitrus bias


yup..only my ingrained "androcitrus bias" keeps me from thinking that saudi women think they should be able to drive or think 200 lashes for a rape victim isn't a good idea..

#24 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 22, 2007 8:07:34 pm


Again, charity should begin at home.


Funny you should say that considering it was your tax $$ that paid for the white phosphorus that baked the ninja chix..and whacked a bunch of your jihadi brothers..

#26 "Funny you should say that considering it was your tax $$ that paid for the white phosphorus "

I certainly do not have any control over how the US government uses my tax dollars. But what is truly funny is how you used your own credit card to purchase an ultra sound machine from eBay and shipped it to your family in India...

#27 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 22, 2007 8:40:28 pm

remember the signs on roadworks: your tax $$s at work..

they should have a sign like that for you on the mass graves of the ninja chix.

ha ha ha , momin paki army bombing mosques in tribal areas,bhai jan kia yai kafir hain , ham ney suna kay kaafi log in main qadiani or shia hain ?

Prisoner24601, you do not get it.

A young girl was killed callously – merely for wanting to do what all the young girls in the society she lived in were doing day in and day out.

The father was the killer.

But the cocoon that that cuckoo-man lived in – that whole Pakistani crappy, shitty “culture” of “honor” and every agent that facilitated it – is equally guilty.

It includes his wife (if he had one – and if one could refer to a less-than-equal partner by such terms).

It includes the extended family members who tolerated and reinforced his moronic stupid mindset.

It includes his mullah who provided the seal of Godly approval to his day-in-and-day-out theater of stupidity!

None of those creeps have any more right to life than that young girl - who was unfortunate enough to be born of that moronic, dumb, stupid Pakistani - did! I would not shed a single tear if they were all to be gelded!

Morons like that person had no business moving to Canada and certainly no right to try to convert Canada into a little Pakistan or a miniature Saudi Arabia.

a great civilisation is not conquered from without until, it has destroyed itself from within historian will Durant

A compassionate and tender human being, he decried the position of women in society, who he said only lived for childbearing and suckling. Moved to compassion for their misery, he wrote that women were so reduced in servitude that all their capacity for higher pursuits had been destroyed. He was saddened by their fate, stating that they only live like plants, looking after their men. This compelled him to write:
“Our society allows no scope for the development of women’s talents. They seem to be destined exclusively to childbirth and the care of children, and this state of servility has destroyed their capacity for larger matters. It is thus that we see no women endowed with moral virtues; they live their lives like vegetables, devoting themselves to their husbands. From this stems the misery that pervades our cities, for women outnumber men by more than double and cannot procure the necessities of life by their own labours.” (Ibn rushd ( averroes) a muslim philosopher in 13th century spain)
It seems the position of muslim women hasn’t changed much in some muslim countries since he wrote that, I suppose at that time the position of women in non-muslim societies wasn’t that much different but, most have progressed since then.

Re: # 31 Posted by aslam644 on December 23, 2007 5:47:30 am

[It seems the position of muslim women hasn’t changed much in some muslim countries since he wrote that, ....]

Aslam, it is the condition of muslim men, that I am more worried about. Generally, it is the muslim men that are present day barbarians. Wouldn't you agree?