The Real Issue Facing Pakistan

read upto 187.

Re: # 210 she had no choice , this was the policy dictated by the military establishment mohar bhai

what goes around, comes around...

her latest awakening notwithstanding, Bhutto had helped create this jihad monster that got her, when she was in power in pakiland... she was an active participant in jihad in kashmir... Now the same monster finally killed her, the same dastardly way they have killed thousand lives in kashmir and elsewhere... It's poetic justice...

And for you pakis - this is just the beginning... there is more to come... you all have participated in creating this monster, this culture of ultra-violence and big0try.... and you are going to pay dearly for it...

what goes around, comes around...

Re: # 206 baaat yeh hai kai too admi hai hi nahin , buddhi aurat hai too

the most shallow and synthetic piece of writing, its disjointed, lacks substance , displays a very pygmy mind , never read such pure rot analysis straight from bottom of a gutter , keep it up you psuedo character ,keep up writing this absolute nonsense,this spam , i think chowk staff is your relative and they promote u

#185 Posted by ijaz_gul
#184 Posted by ijaz_gul

I never said “Mass” desertions. I just mentioned desertions. Can I produce a reference now? Perhaps not but I am surprised that people who claim extended knowledge of the army history in Pakistan are unaware of this. I remember reading a book by a senior Indian army officer, a commander in Punjab, who frankly admitted desertions on the Indian side. I know you cannot expect that kind of honesty from the Pakistan Generals.


First you asked, “would soldiers die in an ambush because they want to protect MilInc.?”

Now you come back with this?

“Recall 1977 and the two Brigadiers who refused to fire in Lahore.”

Perhaps you did not understand your own question about the Mill inc.

I think I have adequately answered your questions. Army never fired in Lahore in 1977. They fired in Karachi and Hyderabad.
I will come back to the rest of your post but it is not me generalizing, your conflict would not allow you to understand the difference in the army culture and some people you know.

#186 Posted by pavocavalry

“the fact is that u are a very stupid man...not having seen the ground and talking absolute bullshit , lowly prick that you are , and that too a small one”

Wow! You have such intimate knowledge of my prick!

So I am a stupid man but you are unable to answer any thing I wrote. Your reaction is typical of any army officer. Your cloak of intellectualism is so badly shattered that you are down to measuring prick sizes.

Zeemax was able to pick what I wrote and you self proclaimed military genius that you are not, were not even able to figure out how an unmanned border could be monitored!

So study hard and come back with the answers to all my posts.
Btw, I am not done here. I intend to take apart the rest of your false assertions as soon as I am over the BB incident.
People like you who support Jihadis and the Taliban have become the real enemies of Pakistan!

I had posted this just a month ago....

Resist, resist, resist:
Posted by HP Nov 25, 2007 02:36 pm
There are three main players in Pakistan now: Mushy baba, BB the PM in waiting, and the botox man Nawaz.
Now if something were to happen to one of these three persons in the next few weeks, where would the elections be? Can anyone figure out the turmoil Pakistan would be in after the disaster?
I think in terms of impact 1 BB, 2 Botoxman and 3 Mushraf baba
These ratings are based on my calculations that Pakistan is now open for a major event that would overshadow anything that has happened so far.


I hope people make sane decisions after this insanity. Sounds like end of the line for elections and the situation may turn to worst.

In the words of fatima bhutto


Ms. Bhutto's repeated promises to end fundamentalism and terrorism in Pakistan strain credulity because, after all, the Taliban government that ran Afghanistan was recognized by Pakistan under her last government -- making Pakistan one of only three governments in the world to do so.



Karma..it's what's for dinner..

#198 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 6:31:36 am


i have told you so many times that it is counterproductive for pakistan to get involved in this us gwot


you were one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the attack on afghanistan...you even said you were ready to give up your job and join the invasion...

Urstruly #: " am just a messenger. I only read the inevitability that is written on the wall out loud for the rest of you and at the most spell it out for rest of you. Don't shoot the messenger..."

you are significantly more than a messenger.......you, like most people, have a political agenda a political view and support a political system for pakistan......much, if not most of which, at least in my opinion, is harmful to pakistan.......

hamidm2 mian, at the other extreme, is similar to you, with an equally harmful agenda......

.....the only difference is that he is far more willing to use violence to push his agenda.....specifically in countries other than the one he lives in......you, on the other hand, do no push violence to push your agenda.......i believe you do denounce obl's violence (even though your agenda leans towards his), while hamidm mian fully support bush's violence (and his agenda).......

i disagree totally with both of you.......though on you at a political level, while i disagree with hamidm2 mian at a political and human rights level......

ijaz_gul #: "we need to talk sometime....ijaz_gul@yahoo.com..."

what exactly would you like to talk about, and how exactly would you like to talk about it......is there something you would like to discuss, over email that cannot be discussed here?

I am really sad to hear the news of BB's untimely death.

Re: # 198

I am just a messenger. I only read the inevitability that is written on the wall out loud for the rest of you and at the most spell it out for rest of you. Don't shoot the messenger.

hamidm2 mian: "....... let me be the first one to congratulate you on the success of your guillotines ....... who is the next target of your seething hatred ?"

...i think it is about time that individuals like yourself also started taking some responsibilty......

i have had so many discussions with you, on iraq, where i have stated that bombing and bombing and more bombing will destroy the country......which is exactly what it has done.....

......now you have your eyes set on pakistan.....i have told you so many times that it is counterproductive for pakistan to get involved in this us gwot......the result will be bombs going off in pakistan......you, on the other hand have been, once again, been pushing bombing and bombing and bombing......as if that solved the problem in iraq.......

what is happening in pakistan is a by-product of the policies pushed by individuals like yourself (and bush) and those pushed by obl and the extreme militant religious right.........pakistan is the victim......

so how about getting off your high horse, as well, and realizing that the best approach for pakistan is to neither be, "with us nor against us," but to stay out of the fight all together......

this is not pakistan's gwot.......it needs to stop fighting it on either side......whether it is pakistanis killing pakistanis in waziristan for america and pakistanis killing pakistanis in pindi for obl, in the end, on both sides pakistanis die......

people like you on the one end (along with bush) and people like urstruly on the other (though he doesn't support obl, hence i consider him less extreme on his side than you) are the problem........you two are going to crunch the rest of us, in between.......

Re: # 196

Hamidm Sahib:

Very sad and sick election politics. Bullet, not Ballot decided.