Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

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#405 Posted by ijaz_gul,

That photo shows the car wasn't sanitized (as the scene was) before the ohoto was taken. There're Benazir's sandals still inside. So the theory that the car went missing sounds doubtful.

HP,

Carlotta Gall's version re force of the blast pushing her back and hitting the lever is just full of shit. Would the force of the blast pushed her backwards or forward or sideways? Or down into the sunroof handle? Just look at the location of the lever in the pic I posted on UP.

(This may benefit the moron double doctor as well, though not intended for him)

thats my point.

this could sound crazy, but could it be that bb organised the sucide attack that horribly went wrong????? or that she organised the sucide attack and someone else added the gunmen who killed her.

she could have done something like this to project to the world, specifically the americans that she was the only true savior of pakistan and rest all were a bunch of jihadi jokers!!!! hence she did something like this to get their support and isolate mushy further.

also i am sure she was very capable to doing something like this, especially after she got her own brother killed!!!!!

again, all this sounds crazy, but could it be possible?????

ijaz_gul,

I've posted the photo of the inside of the cruiser on UP (can't be done on FP) for your perusal. Pls check and revert.

Visit
Talkingpointsmemo.com where some clinicians weigh in on the door handle theory

Zeemax,
What I write is the truth.
Rehman Malik at one point also said that she was OK. He had bolted and must be investigated relentlessly. His witness now has no credibility.

Also why Zardari refused Post Mortem of such a high profile personality? If he did, I do not consider him a credible witness.

There is a chain of events I see here. First being rid Pakistan of its political leadership. I will write in detail later and if I am alive?

Delete the extra space in the end which reads geol ive. It should be geolive. Wonder why Chowk beta does that with web links.

#397 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Ijaz, there have been some clarifications re points (1) and (13).

Rahman Malik has said that the cruiser stopped because the left side tires had burst because of the bomb blast but they still tried to drive on and couldn't get very far, which is why they switched vehicles.

The pictures of the inside of the cruiser have been released and are on the web. It is full of blood.

GEO webcast is showing the best coverage of details and testimonies as these emerge and you must tune in if you have a fast connection:

mms://stream.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_stream_geo_tv_geol ive

Another significant development:

Sherry Rehman has appeared on the GEO webcast and said that (1) It was a bullet wound which entered from the temple and exited from the other side and Benazir lost bucketfuls of blood in the car when she had held her in her lap (this is confirmed by footage of the blood in the car); and (2) Taliban had nothing to do with it because those people whenever they do something claim they did it with 'Seena taan kar'(openly claim responsibility) and Govt is hiding the real culprits.

This gives rise to two questions. Is massive external loss of blood more likely in bullet wounds or in concussive skull fractures which usually cause internal bleeding? And, there was also the statement by PPP that Baitullah Mehsud had sent prior messages to Benazir that she shouldn't feel threatenened by them because they had no intention to kill her. Add to that the letter to Musharraf written by Benazir before arriving (and some details personally revealed by her in a Karachi press conference) naming some people in the Government about whom she had been warned by some foreign friendly country, but no mention of any Taliban threat.

SR, what do you think?

HP, Zeemax and SR,
Please read my posts on this board once again.

HP it surprises me when you appear to accept the door handle theory.

Though I have posted earlier on the same board, here is the sequence of events as analysed by me. This is important!!!

1. Benazir's Land Cruiser turns the roundabout at the junction of Raja Bazar and College Road (China Market). Instaed of the first vehicle, she chosses to board the second vehicle. Amin and Naheed join her.

2. On seeing the crowd, impulse takes over and she gets up to wave. Being tall she can be seen chest up.

3. As the vehicle takes the 270 degree turn, a man with a cloth over his head takes a shot at her.

4. Benazir is hit in the back of her neck. The bullet hits the spinal cord and exits from the temple. She falls due to the impact and her right temple already damaged hits the sun roof handle. Meanwhile another bullet hits her back and exits the chest.

5. After 5 seconds there is an explosion but by that time the jeep is at least 10 meters from the explosion.

6. The jeep speeds to RGH. Driver realises that the brakes have failed when he tries to take the U turn to RGH.Somehow he manages to stop the jeep further ahead.

7. Nahid and driver shift BB to a Corolla Car coming from the opposite direction.

8. Amin Fahim apparently shocked stays behind and joins later through a hitch hike.

9. The jeep apparently followed disappears for many hours till found next day in Civil Lines.

10. Young doctors at the emergency recieve her without knowing who she is. She has brain coming out of the right temple, damaged neck and a bleeding chest. When they recognise her, senior doctors join in. Though apparantly dead they try all procedures.

11. At the end they cut open her chest to revive her heart, but she is dead.

12. There is blood on Nahid and the driver as also on the corolla car.

13. next day Cheema displays pics of a neat and clean interior of the Land Cruiser with the handle theory.

#395 Posted by PM,

PM Bhayya, I must have missed that Chinese Premier condolence.

Re M. Asadi's contentions about the sociological role of Religion, perhaps you're aware that he is the the 2nd most misunderstood person on Chowk after the undersigned :)

#392 Posted by zeemax
re.
On another note, have you noticed there has been absolute silence from China when practically all world leaders have condoled? I haven't seen any message from Chinese leaders.

I'm pretty sure I heard on TV that the Chinese premier had expressed "gehiree ranj-o-ghum" on the passing.

A mere aside, HP: You're sooo not tuned into what Asadi had to say about the sociological role of Religion. But I know, that's not something we need to thrash out here..

Salim,

While I don't agree with your extension of fuzair's logic about Bhutto to Jinnah your basic assertion is quite correct.

Civilian politicians like Jinnah and Bhutto derive their support from the people and hence their actions are ultimately reflective of the aspirations of the people which is precisely why their name lives on.

Pakistan's military rulers discredit everything that they touch be it Islam or enlightened moderation.

On the issue of ZAB:

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto wrote a very good book about Pakistan and its role in the world which definitively shaped Pakistan's foreign policy especially the way ZAB played a pivotal role in bringing the US and China closer together and cracking open the anti-US eastern bloc and in one smart move creating a counterbalance to India.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto viewed the survival of Pakistan as part of a thousand years struggle of the survival of Muslim community in the subcontinent. His own passionate love affair with Pakistan had a lot to do with how closely the Bhutto family's fortune had been intertwined with Pakistan from the start. The house in Naudero played host to Jinnah many times during Bhutto's childhood and people forget that it was the wily Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto who had managed to get the Junagadh document of accession for Jinnah thereby upsetting several British calculations.

Bhutto himself had played a key role in organizing a successful student strike in Bombay in 1946 for the Muslim League or so Bhutto claimed in his last days. This is why anyone who has read his biography is struck by how far Bhutto went to identify himself in the public perception with the memory of Jinnah. His deeply personalized involvement in the Jinnah propagation project through out 1976 and his distribution of his own photograph in the Jinnah cap was an indication of this. If there was ever a politician who was an ultra-nationalist in Pakistan it was Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.

Throughout his career as the foreign minister he subscribed to the idea that India was out to gobble up Pakistan. Remember Bhutto started his career as firmly an establishment man inducted by Sikandar Mirza and retained by Ayub Khan so he furthered the national security thesis which at the time meant extra-reliance on the US but bitter experience in the 1965 war taught Bhutto that Pakistan needed a range of options in foreign policy. The menu Bhutto created included a combo of China and US aimed at Soviet expansionism which he saw as the prime backer of India. It was this reason that forced Bhutto to famously declare that "if India makes the bomb, then we will eat grass but make our bomb".

Bhutto was a remarkable politician and a diplomat. He was no anti-imperialist though. Whatever his posturing he was at the end of the day a US ally who drove a hard bargain. Throughout his half a decade in power he continued to try and convince the US that he was a more reliable ally than the Shah of Iran. It was Bhutto who started the Afghan insurgency against the pro-communist government there at the US behest.

PPP, ZAB and BB were the greatest champions of the Kashmir cause. The Bhutto family had very close ties with the Mir Waizes and this shows in how Srinagar reacted yesterday. Kashmir and Jihad in Kashmir was a central tenet of the original PPP manifesto.
That he gave the country a unanimous constitution is an undeniable fact. Unfortunately his use of religion was theological and not as a tool of identity formation. In contrast Jinnah had to put theological issues on the backburner to bring shias, sunnis, ahmadis, ismailis, etc on one platform.
Bhutto's unfortunate action opened up a pandora's box of theological disputes. That said Ahmadis did not face persecution per se even after their constitutional excommunication. It was Zia ul Haq who tormented us.

All in all when one says that BB continued her father's mission through out her life, the mission was always the preservation of Pakistan and not some undefined imperialist agenda which the elder Bhutto used a political slogan.

Benazir Bhutto was supremely important because she was in the very real sense "chaaron soobon ki zanjeer". It now remains to be seen if she will continue to play that role from beyond the grave.

Re: # 390 unsubstantiated,rumour mongering like a barren old woman ,HP , we never heard anything rational from you , always we see you as mr know all , unadulterated rubbish you right,never saw such an intellectually constipated man