Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

yeah more you look at the videos, more you think what the hell was PPP security and her protectors doing? She had a big red target marked on her forehead since the day she landed in Pakistan...looks like even she did not do enough to protect herself.

Re: # 499

A simple question: why it is "not important how she died" -- but it is "who did it"( Dr. Chee ma)

Because it is 'easier' to find Mehsud congratulating on his celle phone than to find the bullet wound from a police pistol?

Tahmed,

Thanks for the reply. Looking at the various pictures and video of the assasination, I honestly cannot tell exactly what happened. I think it will take a full fledged analysis by FBI-type experts to disect the video frame by frame to figure out exactly what happened. However, the govt has refused external assistance. I assume the FBI/CIA/NSA has already started analyzing the event and we'll soon find out what their conclusion is. For the life of me I can't understand how the govt would benefit from insisting she died one way and not the other? Do they think that people would say, "if she wasn't actually shot or killed by shrapnel, the govt wasn't responsible for the lax security?"

In any case, what the video clearly shows is how appalingly bad was her security cordon. After the Karachi attack, why on earth would her people let her stand up in the SUV exposing herself to an unregulated crowd? Even if the govt wasn't providing anything approaching appropriate security, why weren't her own men telling her not to expose herself like this? Why weren't there a couple of hundred pre-screened PPP men forming a moving wall around her SUV as it made its way out of the meeting venue? That would have prevented anyone getting close enough to her vehicle to prevent exactly what did apparently happen.

Is there some kind of chowk award for a double-century? (I made both #300 and #500.)

Perhaps cover-up is what really permeates that khaki blood!

After all, these are the same people who (tried to) cover up the Mukhtaran Mai rape, the lady doctor rape, and countless other atrocities going as far back as one can remember.

Their logic is simple - make up a story, cover up the facts, and if people do not buy the same - why, beat them up!

It worked until 10-15 years ago - but no more. Now there is enough technology available out there that an average individual can research, verify, and discover on own.

These khaki folks did not learn anything from the GWB military service coverage fiasco at CBS.

fuzair #497 that "hissy fit" should have been directed at the pakistan military officers of the brigadier cheema variety, and sorry to have unfairly dragged you in.

here comes the rational reply (I hope): the surgeon had in fact suggested shrapnel wounds killed her, not blunt force as cheema said the next day. why were the doctors not allowed to make the official statement (as is normally done) rather than a government spokesman? and why was the doctor's informal report to the press (corroborated by eye-witnesses like sherry rehman) changed without explanation? the best answer i can give is: stupidity (in imagining some assumed benefit from lying) and arrogance (in not letting the doctors present their findings).

For what its worth, new video footing that clearly show/hear
gunshots first, descent into the suv and then the blast

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vt_rAygF5vM

Tahmed,

Why that extreme hissy fit of a post and the personal attacks? You know the extremely low opinion I have of most Pakistani generals; I am the last one who would advocate continued direct military rule of Pakistan. As far as I am concerned, the best thing Musharraf can do for Pakistan is to resign.

All I was saying was that if the autopsy showed massive blunt force trauma and not bullet or shrapnel wounds, why is that prima facie evidence of a massive coverup (or worse) by the Army? I assume the autopsy surgeons are competent enough to differentiate between a bullet entry wound, shrapnel and blunt force trauma.

I'd appreciate a rational reply.

Regards.

SR #490 seems like you are the last wise man left on earth. everyone else being a fool, going by your post.

#494 Posted by anil on December 29, 2007 4:33:01 pm

what's certain is that the "lever" sure as hell didn't kill her..

Re: # 491

Arjun_m

I do not understand this controversy. If the bullet punctured it through. There are only two possibilities: (a) bullet lodged itself somwhere in the body, or (b) it exited from the body and created another hole.

I cannot believe, the doctor would not have tried to locate the second hole, or that bullet is still lodged, somewhere. In hospital X-Ray locates the metal etc., under the ground, metal is locatable thru more powerful X-Rays and Microwave Sonars.

Doctor who attended Benazir may be an equal Joker to match Cheema who was flashing the X-Ray of the entry wound.

In #492 read "Dismissing this entire scenario by saying that the PPP is a PirFaqir/Fuedual party and that is why the Army steps in is quite ignorant"

as "Dismissing this entire scenario by saying that the PPP is a PirFaqir/Feudal party and that is why the Army steps in is quite ignoran

Bulleya has his reasoning upside down as usual. First he is trying to dismiss the People's party, the only party in Pakistan with mass popular support that has withstood the onslaught of the military/US and even its own leadership for several decades, based on the work and hope instilled by a charismatic leader ZAB. Now, when you have functioning political institutions then you can expect people to be politically mature and let the structure take over after the "charismatic leader" has passed. However when you have not even rudimentary political institutions existing, and the entire institution rested in the person of one man, then you cannot expect the "Bhutto" name to just vanish away and everything goes on hunky dory. That is not how it work and it cannot work any other way. Dismissing this entire scenario by saying that the PPP is a PirFaqir/Fuedual party and that is why the Army steps in is quite ignorant and characteristic of only an apologist for the military. Fatima Bhutto seems to be true to the socialistic principles of her grandfather and the spirit of the people's movement. She can lead the party much better than Benazir did once she cleans up the top leadership of the party. Come the right time I will graciously accept a post in the foreign ministry.....then we can rock and roll ...

lever killed here...right...

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11974

Th ere was wound in right Temporoparietal region. Shape was irregularly oval, measuring about 5 x 3 cms, just above the pinna of right ear. Edges were irregular. No surrounding wounds or blackening was seen. There was a big boggy swelling around the wound. Blood was continuously trickling down and whitish material that looked like brain matter was seen in the wound and on surrounding hair. Sharp bone edges were felt in wound. No foreign body was felt in the wound.

Wound was not further explored. Gentle aseptic dressing was used to cover the wound.

Bleeding from both the ears was seen, more so from the right ear. Slight trickle of blood was seen from right nostril also. Blood mixed with secretions was seen in the oral cavity also. Detailed external examination of the body did not reveal any other external injury.

DEATH BY INCOMPETENCE -- The Major Pakistani epidemic

Call it incompetence, in eptness, unprofessionalism, na-Laiqui, or whatever, but THAT is the single thread that is strewn across the death of BB.

First, incompetence of government systems that do not provide head-of-state equvalent security to principal candidates before an election.

Second, incompetence on the part of BB herself or her main handlers to not have "bought" a high international level professional security service instead of fools and thieves of Pakistan security industry. "Scare-crow Securities, Inc"

Third, incompetence on the part of the clown who was the so-called assassin. He could neither aim right to shoot his target nor blow himself up at the best space-time coordinate where his target could receive optimal damage.

Fourth, incompetence on the part of her crisis management and contingency management personnel to not get her to an appropriate facility on time. Med-vac helicopter should have always been with her since the Karachi bombing. She could surely afford it. Costs a fraction of the annual rates and property taxes on the Surrey Mansion.

Fifth, incompetence on part of the medical establishment. No CT scan was done on her upon arrival. Nor having a neurosurgeon at hand.

Only plain x-rays were taken. That is 1800s technology. You cannot assess a sub-dural hematoma without a CT scan. No CT scan was available.

Besides, surgeons who operate on gall bladders and perform appendectomies are not best suited for head injury trauma management.

...SR

Re: # 443 Manto ["...Bilawal zardari will succeed Benazir Bhutto as PPP leader. He is 19 years old..."]

Why not Zulfikar, Murtaza's son? Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, that is...

Friendly merger (or hostile take-over) with Bhutto Shaheed Group. Makes sense?