Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/30/pakistan.politics/index.html?ere %20f=yahoo

This video confirms that it's the shot from fired by the man on ground that killed her i/o the shot (if it materialiseed) from behind coz she collapsed towards her right side.

Manto, could it be that Sindhi/Balochi 'nationalists' are now more Pakistani than they were in Zufi Bhutto's time? So dealing with them as 'nationalists' within the framework of Pakistan would have been considerably harder for her father than it was for Benazir.

I mean, look at Sindi 'nationalism.' It is essentially dead today, and Sindhi 'nationalists' are trying to figure out how to survive within Pakistan (which to me, is the best thing for both them and Pakistan.)

An addition to my previous post on the Pakistan's mercurial and brilliant Zulfikar Ali Bhutto:

For what its worth... I would never have said it 10 years ago but Benazir Bhutto as a leader and world figure was in my view head and shoulders above her famous father.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto banked cheap popularity and often followed the sentiments of the people (Friday as a weekly holiday, ban on horse racing, alcohol and gambling... all of which he himself enjoyed... and the Ahmadi issue being a clear example of it... remember the honest and upright Khawaja Nazimuddin, the Muslim Leaguer from East Pakistan with a conservative image, had preferred to leave PMship in a similar crisis 20 years earlier instead of declaring Ahmadis kafir)... but Benazir was an intellectual and a leader who was ready finally to lead instead of being led.

This is why the loss of Benazir Bhutto is greater than that of her father. Her loss is more akin to the loss of Shaheed-e-Millat Liaqat Ali Khan who was assassinated in the same place and whose death remains a mystery. The crisis that followed paved way for Bogra and then the Military... who didn't threaten to go to Moscow, as LAK had to drive a greater bargain.

Now the world is beginning to point fingers at Pakistan's nuclear assets. The difference between all previous such events and now is that Pakistan was strong enough to withstand the sudden eliminations of Liaqat Ali Khan, Bhutto and Zia.

But Benazir Bhutto was ... as the slogan said... charon soobon ki zanjeer... the true symbol of the federation. The fact that even the Baloch nationalists cried out for her shows how above and beyond Mr. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Benazir had proved to be.

May Bilawal Bhutto Zardari now have the courage to follow in his illustrious mother's footsteps.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=znvFgdGasH8

I can see two gunmen who fired from

a. rear bumper
b. next to (a) on ground.

which of course followed suicide bombing.

THIS IS ONLY THE VISIBLE EVIDENCE. ARE THERE ANY SHOOTER(S)?

In normal cases of death:

Heart function ceases first but brain wud still be 'not dead'. Brain death happens much later. In the case of Benazir she's hit in the head and she's brain dead b4 she had her heart stopped working. It may be due to heavy loss of blood o/a bleeding. Her heart failure happened much after brain ceased to function.

They did not declare that she's taken to hospital dead though it's true that she's taken to hospital dead (her pupils weren't responding to light).

From the Medical Report:

'There was wound in right Temporoparietal region. Shape was irregularly oval, measuring about 5 x 3 cms, just above the pinna of right ear. Edges were irregular. No surrounding wounds or blackening was seen. There was a big boggy swelling around the wound. Blood was continuously trickling down and whitish material that looked like brain matter was seen in the wound and on surrounding hair. Sharp bone edges were felt in wound. No foreign body was felt in the wound.'

Explanation:

a. The wound is obviously by a bullet (oval shaped hole in the skull) but on the wrong side i.e on her right side which is not in the direction of the 'visible' attackers i.e her back side and left side.

If the wound on her right side is possible without a corresponding wound on her left side then there are two possible explanations:

1. She's also hit from her right side

2. the bullet that was hit on her left side made exit from her right temporo-parietal region.

3. Edges of her right skull were irregular means that bullet is likely to have exited i/o entered her body from right side i.e bullet darting @ huge speed wud make a near regular (oval/circular) shape exp on skull coz it's a harded bone.

4. Edges of the wound (skin around) was not black means the bullet didnt enter her body from her right side (where the speed/heat of bullet blackens the skin around the wound). So her attackers were ONLY from the left and back.

5. Bullet obviously exited and that's why there's no foreign object in her skull or body (which is assumed as we dont have that info abt foerign objects in her body).

6. Bleeding from right nostrils and ear can explained by medical experts who know skull anatomy fully. However we can say that bullet damaged arteries on her right side causing bleeding thru her right ear and nostril.

HOWEVER THE SECOND PART OF THE REPORT CONTRADICTS THE OBSERVATIONS ABOVE i.e.

'Comminuted depressed skull fracture involving right temporoparietal bone is observed with inwards-depressed fracture fragment...'

Which means that bullet should have entered her body from her right side (which is not possible as per video evidence we have) and ended up in her body elsewhere.

Depending on the exact location of her 'comminuted depressed skull fracture' we can decide if it's orginated from above a height or ground. In the absence of spicific location of that wound/info we cant say if the shot was fired from ground or an elevation on her right side.

&

'.. moderate degree of pneumocephalus is observed..'

i.e Poor Benazir was targeted @ her head i.e. a foregin object ratchetted in her skull for a while (Two to three tiny radio-densities underneath fracture segment are observed..)

#514 Posted by majumdar,

18 Yrs. Only the President has to be over 45.

Militants Commander Baitullah Mahsud has contradicted reports about his or group involvement in assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
“Killing or aggression against a woman is contrary to tribal traditions,” remarked Baitullah Mahsud’s spokesman Maulvi Omar in telephonic calls to media offices on Saturday.
The government, through Interior Ministry, charged Baitullah Mahsud and his associates for assassinating former prime minister and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairperson Benazir Bhutto. In this respect, the officials of Interior Ministry presenting telephonic conversation of Baitullah Mahsud with one of his associates.
While contradicting involvement of Baitullah Mahsud in killing of Benazir Bhutto, Maulvi Omar alleged that through such type of statements, government wanted to confuse the public and divert attentions of the PPP. He termed the allegations against Mahsud baseless.
Advocating in favour of his claim, the spokesman reminded that attacking and killing of women are detrimental to tribal traditions. On such grounds “We condemn killing of Benazir Bhutto. “She was highly respectable politician at international level,” he added.
In response to a question, the spokesman recalled that Baitullah Mahsud has already contradicted press reports attributed to him regarding suicide attack on Benazir Bhutto. “We condemn brutal assassination of Benazir Bhutto,” he concluded.
The spokesman, at each and every level during his brief chat with media offices, called Benazir Bhutto as “Shaheed and Mohtarama (respectable).”

Manto,

(Bilawal zardari will succeed Benazir Bhutto as PPP leader.
He is 19 years old.I don't know what to say. )

Why are you surprised, isn't that the natural order of things in the political partis of the sub-continent. Btw what is the minimu legal age for running for election and holding a post in Pakistan?

Regards

#510 Posted by dullabhatti.

Nope. The thing is that even if the agencies got her bumped off, what was wrong with admitting the bullet? They could still pin it on anyone they wanted. No? And there WAS a bombing and shooting which the Government is not denying. Only thing they're denying is that the bullets hit her.

There can only be one reason. As per my original contention from the outset, it was a sniper and not the gun in the video. Denying the bullet would also preclude examination of its details. Sniper bullets are customized for long distance precision sharp-shooting and not the ordinary hand gun type.

Re: # 509 its possible that the govt's intelligence guys affected a 3rd party penetration of LT and acted as agent provocateurs

At least one thing we know for sure. After the Karchi bombings it was suspected by a few that BB had herself ordered the outrage. At least that theory can be put to rest.

Regards

zeemax bhai, as we say in punjabi "eeNgRhi paRheeRNgRhi" (relationship dots) of the killer in picture connects with someone high up in the agencies. Does not matter he was Janghvi, LT, AQ, ISI, renegade soldier, or a loner. if you put adequate number of dedicated professional investigators with authority on this job, dots will eventually connect to sahib bahadur or someone working for him.

So it was indeed a bullet and not the lever. Sherry Rehman's statements and video shots confirm that beyond doubt.

So who did it? I had earlier held that the most likely ones would be Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. But if they did, why is the Government lying about the bullet?

Very strange.

no doubt should be left after this video.

notice the 2 bullet shots leaving the pistol between 35-42 sec on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiv4gvsrnfE

Fuzair in one of the videos you can clearly see the small fire/explosion while the bullet left the pistol.
seethe video on Sun page below from Sky News.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article628825.ece

I saw the same video in slow mode on some other website where you can see the gun fire from the pistol of the killer in dark clothing.

Re: 505 and 503,

Come on! Even 20 years from now no one would ever think that her death was a simple "concussion fall" akin to slipping in the bath tub!

IF the govt arranged her killing, why not get a non-military/police issue weapon? Even Pakistani generals aren't that incompetent!

Theres a huge difference between -
she was cut down by an assissin's bullets/bomb

&

she fell down & hit her head on a lever & died of concussion

the details r lost after a few years