Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

Kaal,
Since you have limited knowledge of the history, let me update you on something. Islamic conferences or OIC first started in 1955-56. It was created to oppose the efforts to create the non alignment movement which finally happened after the Bundong Conference, if my memory serves me right. Try Wiki to get a better info.

Bhutto wanted to join the non aligned movement. India opposed the move and Someone suggested OIC so he went for it since he needed some recognition. Shah Faisel of KSA was so upset that he did not talk to Bhutto throughout the conference in Lahore.

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fuzair mian,

.... it doesn't matter who started the mess .... if you really want to know, it was mo of mecca and the abominable four who started this whole darn thing with their state of mecca and subsequent nonsense ........ the question is where do we go from here .... how do we put the jinn back in the bottle and the mullah back in this mosque ? .... and the biggest question of all - how do we exorcise the bedouin spirits that have taken hold of a large number of our people ?

I see that KaalChakra with his old avatar joined the old bugger Fuzair in writing yet more nonsense.

As for Fuzair. At least the man had the ability to to listen to people and provide constitution which your whores, Dally aka Pakistan generals would love to amend as if they are the voice of God to change everything and anything in the country.

The maha idiot writes,"Before the 1973 Constitution, Pakistani governments merely passed pious Statements of Intent" They still do the same don't they. These MFs bunch of criminals did not see a law that they did not hate. So all they do is deliver one and the same pious statement that was handed to them by some puppeteer. Never had the ability to even change a word of it.

The army groupies like Fuziar are proud of the pious statements, country be damned!

As for as Kaalchakra, Change of avatar hasn't helped you any. same old illogical statements, same old distortions, and same old picking up things out of context.

Look at these pictures if you have time on hand instead of writing schitty posts!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moody72/2142998605/in/photostream/

Re: # 340
ZAB ji adopted Islamic socialism

Yes thats exactly what happened. The REDS wanted to spread into the Middle East to control the warm waters & oil of the region. ZAB, being a genious he was without any doubt, sold the concept of Islamic Socialism.

Its a funny thing that a lot of people dont know about Islam. it is a mix of socialist & capitalist (some extent extreme sadistic goth) Ideology. And anyone can use it to make their point.

Anyways. ZAb sold the Islamic socialism to the Reds & got the ummah together. The US & European capatilist couldn't take it, so they found allies in the dumb beduins of Arabia. They told them that in a Unified Socialist Ummah, there will be no place for these dumbos. The educated people like ZAB himself will be the leaders. They also told them that if you help us we will help you spread your brand of sadistic Islam called Wahabism.

Hence we saw Saudis backing Zia to get rid of Bhutto. They still support the clone of ZIA, NS to this day to fight against BB.

The Iranians who were almost on the way to the Red Socialism some how changed into a revolution of their own. they figured that the Islamic Scoialism & Wahabism have no place for their doctrine.
More to come on next episode of Conspiracy Theory 2, so stay tunned & dont touch that damn remote.

Fuzair, wish we saw you more often here :(

It distorts our understanding if we under-estimate the signal and significant contributions of great historical/ political leaders. ZAB ji adopted Islamic socialism, made Friday the weekly holiday, importantly clarified the definition of Muslims at home, hosted the International Islamic conference for the unity of the Ummah, propounded the concept of and set in motion the "Islamic Bomb" (which, whether Indians like it or not, later became a source of major strength for Pakistan), and probably a lot more (was he also helpful in bringing the Islamic International University to Islamabad?. if any of these assertions are incorrect, somebody please correct, thanks).

As far as services to Islam at home and abroad are concerned, Zia was a midget in comparison, an important midget, but midget nevertheless. Bhutto had an inspiring, grand global vision. Zia focused primarily at home and against India.

Has any one played Risk. this is how its done.

I am seeing this a a pretext, to get Pakistan involved in the War Against Terror. Iraq & Afghanistan are already occupied. The US forces are now very well trained after working in Iraq for 4 years. Now they will come to Pakistan. This will surround the Iran.

Pakistan serves many purposes. It help complete the noose around Iran. And It also gives a forward base against China & India. Yes India. Dont think that US will let India off the Hook.

Who is Alqaeda? A puppet of US Oil & defense machinery, which is run through their partners in Saudi Arabia. Can US not take out Ossama? They can in a heartbeat IF they wanted it. But they dont want it. His life is guaranteed (as long is it serves the purpose). Remember Zia, he was there as long as they needed him, the minute he stepped his boundary (remeber what he was doing when Afghan USSR problem was sinding down), he was taken out with 17 generals of the milltary command all in one plane (biggest protocol failure of modern history). Remember BB, who was sent to propgate US mission & end up showing her power against Puppet in Chief, got taken out in public.

Thus here we see USA to be sitting in Iraq, Afghanistan & soon in Pakistan. Now will be able to control half of worlds oil supply. They can from here very well threaten Russia, China & India if they decide to move against their will. It is a long term game of planning how to occupy the resources of the world. Namely Oil & cheap labor. American peole need both and this wayy they will have access to both.

That been said, however the US did not took into account that Russia will make its comeback so soon. Its shocking & disturbing some of the Neocons how fast Putin was able to turn around. Thye do not have any threat from India, so they will only sit here in Pak & keep the sword hanging on India, to make sure supply of cheap labor & brain drain.

This is much bigger than just a few poeple dying in blast.

Re: # 337

dude - salim is not indian...

anycase - does it matter who started this mess?...
not from indian POV anyway - because pakis as a whole supported the drive towards islamisation... culminating in extremism that we see today...

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I wish you Indians would at least get your facts right, but I suppose that is too much to ask for. It was ZAB who formally instituted Islam into Pakistan life, society and politics as THE dominant force. His handcrafted 1973 Constitution is what made it impossible to ignore Islam. Zia merely instituted mechanisms to implement the Islamic provisions of the 1973 Constitution. Before the 1973 Constitution, Pakistani governments merely passed pious Statements of Intent such as the Objectives Resolution but did not actually try to implement any real 'Islamization' of the country. ZAB is who started this mess.

Re: # 328

ahmedmadani sahib,

..... people like zeemaxullah, who dream of establising a khilafat in pakistan, know that because of pakistan's history and multi-ethnic demographics it is not possible to do so by non-violent means ......... their strategy is to create total chaos hoping that the country will disintegrate and they can have a piece of it - for a start they will settle for the tribal areas and parts of the frontier ....... that is their simple agenda .... the guillotines, as zeemaxullah points out, will come after this basta*d state has been established ...... in a democratic set-up these people would not be able to survive and that's where the goons in khaki, driven by fauji stupidity and the lust for power, have strengthend these bedouin forces of darkness .......

........ as for bb's murder, i think the fools in khaki are anxious to quickly 'solve' the case so that they can 'move on' ..... so they pinned it on baitullah mehsud, even though it could have been half a dozen jihadi groups, including 'mainstream' islamic parties, or iman-crazed islamist factions in the government and isi ..... i seriously doubt musharraf had anhything to do with it - he didn't have anyhthing to gain .......

.... however, if there was no suicide bomber involved, there is a slight chance that it might have been the doing of some other political party .... i would not put it past the thieves of gujarat to do something like this if they thought they could get away with it - they are petty criminals and thugs .....but if there was a suicide bomber then it had to be a true muslim, an islamist - only a man who love death more than we love life can blow himself up ..........

rf786 #316 {"Only reason you are against the army it is because of Musharraf being a Mohajir and the only reason u fail to see any fault with NS and IK is because of their ethnic roots. Both of these morons have yet to show the courage that a woman BB showed by openly condemning the Jihadists, IK actually argues that there is no point in confronting the Jihadists cause they do no wrong. "}

Bismillah Bhai,
Very good observation about how the Jihadist/religious card has been used by Zia, BB, NS, Mushy and by IK and NS once again. I have seen videos of Dan Rather visiting the Khyber Pass dressed in the most Jihadi of outfits, of Mujahideen leaders in flowing shalwars visiting as honored guests in Reagan's Oval Office. Zia invented the religious card to dethrone ZAB. NS used it to his advantage and continues to do so. Even Mushy used the religious right just like Dubya has used his religious right to win two elections.

If the people of Pakistan paid no attention to such cheap tactics, they would not be in this mess today and we can easily predict what will happen to Gujarat (and India) as they continue to feed like hungry swine at the trough of BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/BD/SP/SS agenda.

Hamidm2

" i don't understand why you don't want to take credit for the success of your guillotines ! ......... are you going to use the same old logic of "oh, but we are too stupid to make a guillotine that works" .... or is this part of some grand scheme to create a distraction for future operations ....... "

An excellent post!

I have not been here for over 3 years, and in the past, I do not think, we have interacted before on this board.

Thought, a good post/writing should be acknowledged/encouraged, hence, this post.

Keep it up.
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I have no intention of hanging around for long or interacting.

#330 bubba, the Saudis are only (and read this carefully) influential with the Pakistan Army (the Pakistan Army being the one that calls the shots in Pakistan at all levels) when they have a coincidence of needs with the US elite, otherwise they face total frustration or the Army chief faces crisis after crisis. What I wrote was the total truth. The Saudis themselves being low level clients of the US elite, don't deliberately forget that in your distractions. Read what I wrote and compare that to what I discovered ZAB had written:

The biggest link of external colonialism is internal colonialism. Military coups d'etat are the worst enemies of national unity. Coupegemony is the bridge over which [imperial/U.S.) hegemony walks to stalk our lands. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto

CHOWK editors! Wake up!

You're supposed to edit! This InterAct is all non-sense. Keep this site for those who wish to write, not for those who abuse and pass derogatory remarks about the prophets and God. By being silent, you can easily be accused of promoting a hidden agenda!

In the the name of your adopted country, that Green Card, the parents, and the children (if not God): STOP this idiotic interacting.

#328 Posted by ahmedmadani,

Read below closely, and do get a magnifying glass if it is not clear:

#317 Posted by zeemax re #315 Posted by hamidm2,

[.. i don't understand why you don't want to take credit for the success of your guillotines ! .........]

Simply because I support guillotines after mass public trials, and not political assassinations.

Re: # 327 Posted by masadi on December 28, 2007 1:26:41 pm

Masadi mian,

[Mullah extremists are the creation of external social/political circumstances, channeled by the military dictators for the masters they serve (the US elite in our case).] Why only US elite, and not Saudi elite?

Saudi Arabia is much more influential in Pakistani affair than most people realize. Since Zia days, it has been Saudi Arabia. Why do you not say the truth?

NY Sun is reporting that there were 4 renegade commandos behind this frm the ISI.