Chowk December 27, 2007
#456 Posted by arjun_ on December 29, 2007 8:38:22 am
was the sunroof made in pureland? lexus sunroofs don't have levers.
#455 Posted by okhla99 on December 29, 2007 8:15:17 am
Sunroof lever, indeed !!!!
Cheema and gang consider the rest of the world to consist of idiots.
Benazir was shot. PLAIN & SIMPLE. The suicide bomber was a dual purpose diversion cum backup. The state machinery was squarely involved. Hence the cleanup, vehicle switch etc.
Cheema and all should be laughed out of television screens.
Cheema and gang consider the rest of the world to consist of idiots.
Benazir was shot. PLAIN & SIMPLE. The suicide bomber was a dual purpose diversion cum backup. The state machinery was squarely involved. Hence the cleanup, vehicle switch etc.
Cheema and all should be laughed out of television screens.
#454 Posted by tahmed32 on December 29, 2007 8:11:29 am
mantolives: thanks. sorry once again to learn about your father's demise.
#453 Posted by tahmed32 on December 29, 2007 8:09:40 am
fuzair/krashid: you both question the significance of bullet vs blast theory of how bb was killed vs the significanceo of who did it.
in comparison, of course, the latter is of far greater importance.
HOWEVER, the former is significant because the government handling of the case provides insights into the minds of musharraf and his minions. And the basic insight is the utter stupidity of the brigadier and his handlers who rushed to spread their ignorance. And today, after Rehman's contradiction (in addition to that of the doctor whom the brigadier arrogantly overrode in typical pakistan military officer style), these clowns are saying they can re-open BB's grave!!
So - that is what is significant, Field Marshall Fuzair sahib. You military boys are the dummies of Pakistan, not the "smart" ones. You have run a fine nation to the ground with your arrogance. Time to go back to the barracks and know your place. And let the people of Pakistan breathe free. Thank you.
in comparison, of course, the latter is of far greater importance.
HOWEVER, the former is significant because the government handling of the case provides insights into the minds of musharraf and his minions. And the basic insight is the utter stupidity of the brigadier and his handlers who rushed to spread their ignorance. And today, after Rehman's contradiction (in addition to that of the doctor whom the brigadier arrogantly overrode in typical pakistan military officer style), these clowns are saying they can re-open BB's grave!!
So - that is what is significant, Field Marshall Fuzair sahib. You military boys are the dummies of Pakistan, not the "smart" ones. You have run a fine nation to the ground with your arrogance. Time to go back to the barracks and know your place. And let the people of Pakistan breathe free. Thank you.
#452 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 29, 2007 7:38:15 am
bravo,
and about what YLH tells us, PPP also fades away
and about what YLH tells us, PPP also fades away
#450 Posted by masadi on December 29, 2007 7:35:42 am
In addition, I'd like to reiterate that this alignment with the Americans that spelled our death knell from the very beignning was based on the tradition set by the anti-democracy MAJ. These issues were already discussed over two whole boards and the High Priest of the Church of MAJ, ran off on his motorbike like the Mullah Omar.
#449 Posted by zeemax on December 29, 2007 7:34:48 am
#442 Posted by ijaz_gul,
Yes Ijaz, the manner of death makes a hell of lot of difference, but only to those who have eyes to see. This will tell people who want to know who killed her.
But, why go to all the trouble when convenient truths are easy to be found?
Pat answers are there. Believe them or reject them. It is everyone's choice.
The info is all there, the media in Pakistan is censored but you can still get snippets from here and there ... either remain wishful, or make plans to either get out or stay and fight.
That's the choice.
Yes Ijaz, the manner of death makes a hell of lot of difference, but only to those who have eyes to see. This will tell people who want to know who killed her.
But, why go to all the trouble when convenient truths are easy to be found?
Pat answers are there. Believe them or reject them. It is everyone's choice.
The info is all there, the media in Pakistan is censored but you can still get snippets from here and there ... either remain wishful, or make plans to either get out or stay and fight.
That's the choice.
#448 Posted by masadi on December 29, 2007 7:32:23 am
Once again Manto posts BS about ZAB, ZAB the establishment man was different to ZAB the people's leader but there was no way for ZAB to become a people's leader without going through the "establishment". Going through the "establishment" and then laying the foundation of the first people's movement that Pakistan had seen or has seen to date is supreme achievement. Compared to him the BB leeched off of the foundation he built and was destroying it at its very roots by hobnobbing with the Americans and their occupation force in Pakistan, the Pakistan Army. She was not even half a pygmie compared to her father.
Just the simple fact that the military (the US occupation force) had to act to remove and kill him (and not only his popular speeches and acts like nationalization) prove that he was quite anti-imperialist. Regarding the meeting with China, which by the way my grandfather was in the middle of was not the opening of the "anti US eastern front", both the Chinese and the US had a mutual interest in their anti-Soviet stance and they both were equal partners in seeing that meeting happen. Pakistan was more concerned about its relationship with China at the momenent viz a viz than facilitating anything for the US. Nonetheless contacts with China started during the Yahya military regime. Just the fact that from being a front line state, ZAB pulled out of the Commonwealth, and Seato making the country the least alinged with the US that it had been at any time in its history before or after.
Just the simple fact that the military (the US occupation force) had to act to remove and kill him (and not only his popular speeches and acts like nationalization) prove that he was quite anti-imperialist. Regarding the meeting with China, which by the way my grandfather was in the middle of was not the opening of the "anti US eastern front", both the Chinese and the US had a mutual interest in their anti-Soviet stance and they both were equal partners in seeing that meeting happen. Pakistan was more concerned about its relationship with China at the momenent viz a viz than facilitating anything for the US. Nonetheless contacts with China started during the Yahya military regime. Just the fact that from being a front line state, ZAB pulled out of the Commonwealth, and Seato making the country the least alinged with the US that it had been at any time in its history before or after.
#447 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 29, 2007 7:31:57 am
fuzair,
it makes a difference and you will see. Roger
it makes a difference and you will see. Roger
#446 Posted by MantoLives on December 29, 2007 7:28:20 am
Mohar,
I don't know why you've hit the roof. I merely said that you can't be the enemy. Never. Zeemax is sorely mistaken.
Please read again my post.
I don't know why you've hit the roof. I merely said that you can't be the enemy. Never. Zeemax is sorely mistaken.
Please read again my post.
#445 Posted by zeemax on December 29, 2007 7:28:06 am
#440 Posted by fuzair.
The cause of death does not matter. She was assassinated - period. Rest is technical.
But you missed the point. You people think your cocoon in Islamabad will protect you, which is why you trivialize these progressively intensifying events. SR's coffee in Margalla foothills and the visit to Saeed Book bank and Jinnah Market when Benazir got her head drilled won't protect him or you. Please read the following again:
Fuzair, I would like to remind through you my friend SR, whose naive views you're promoting, that Islamabad is exactly 20 minutes from Pakistan.
The cause of death does not matter. She was assassinated - period. Rest is technical.
But you missed the point. You people think your cocoon in Islamabad will protect you, which is why you trivialize these progressively intensifying events. SR's coffee in Margalla foothills and the visit to Saeed Book bank and Jinnah Market when Benazir got her head drilled won't protect him or you. Please read the following again:
Fuzair, I would like to remind through you my friend SR, whose naive views you're promoting, that Islamabad is exactly 20 minutes from Pakistan.
#444 Posted by fuzair on December 29, 2007 7:27:01 am
Re: 442 Ijaz,
Why? Why does the manner of her death make a difference? She was murdered by people who hated her. Why would it make a difference if a murdered person was shot, stabbed, smothered or hit over the head?
The only possible difference it makes is if the suspect was, say, 20 feet away. In that case, if the murdered man was stabbed, then the suspect could not have committed the crime. If he was shot, then the suspect could have. This is certainly NOT the case here.
Could someone please explain to me what the govt could possibly gain from saying that the cause of death was massive blunt force trauma and not a bullet or shrapnel? As I said, no one is saying that she was not assasinated.
Why? Why does the manner of her death make a difference? She was murdered by people who hated her. Why would it make a difference if a murdered person was shot, stabbed, smothered or hit over the head?
The only possible difference it makes is if the suspect was, say, 20 feet away. In that case, if the murdered man was stabbed, then the suspect could not have committed the crime. If he was shot, then the suspect could have. This is certainly NOT the case here.
Could someone please explain to me what the govt could possibly gain from saying that the cause of death was massive blunt force trauma and not a bullet or shrapnel? As I said, no one is saying that she was not assasinated.
#443 Posted by MantoLives on December 29, 2007 7:21:50 am
Bilawal zardari will succeed Benazir Bhutto as PPP leader.
He is 19 years old.
I don't know what to say.
He is 19 years old.
I don't know what to say.
#442 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 29, 2007 7:21:20 am
Zeemax,
yes I saw it and posted again on UP. Each sequence I mention has a photo.\
To me the manner of her death makes a lot of difference.
Cheerios
yes I saw it and posted again on UP. Each sequence I mention has a photo.\
To me the manner of her death makes a lot of difference.
Cheerios
#441 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 29, 2007 7:19:45 am
yes I saw it and posted again on UP. Ecah sequence I mention has a photo
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