Chowk December 27, 2007
#34 Posted by panini on December 27, 2007 8:29:54 am
There is so much sadness in her death. For her family, for her party and also for Pakistan. There are so many of us (not just Pakistanis) who have been following the events of the last few years, and who wish and hope for a return to normalcy, and an end to the strife and the bombings and killings. Benazir's return (and indeed even Nawaz Sharif's) held out the promise of such a return.
However imperfect this transitional period towards elections. The fact is that all the key democratic players were there, and an election was to take place. Now, Pakistan has slipped many steps backwards and it will take a lot of work to stay on track.
The future is not lost. What is necessary is to stay on track (towards the election) and stay committed to a return to full democracy. Whatever her flaws (and which politician does not have them?) she was a charismatic and moderate leader. Her death should not be in vain.
I think this is the message that all people in Pakistan should carry in their hearts. Despite her flaws she was courageous and willing to fight for the future of Pakistan. Her death should not be in vain.
Panini
However imperfect this transitional period towards elections. The fact is that all the key democratic players were there, and an election was to take place. Now, Pakistan has slipped many steps backwards and it will take a lot of work to stay on track.
The future is not lost. What is necessary is to stay on track (towards the election) and stay committed to a return to full democracy. Whatever her flaws (and which politician does not have them?) she was a charismatic and moderate leader. Her death should not be in vain.
I think this is the message that all people in Pakistan should carry in their hearts. Despite her flaws she was courageous and willing to fight for the future of Pakistan. Her death should not be in vain.
Panini
#35 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 8:40:23 am
condolences to benazir's family at her death.......as well as to her followers in the ppp.....
#36 Posted by bubba on December 27, 2007 8:41:41 am
Re: # 25 Posted by Kulharee on December 27, 2007 8:13:47 am
[...when would these thugs take some Punjabi heads on? I guess they are afraid of Punjabis. Her blood will be revenged, and hopefully before her body is laid to rest. Inshallah. ]
Sorry that you feel this way. The forces of evil are the ruling elite of Pakistan, and that includes all ethnic groups. Does it not?
[...when would these thugs take some Punjabi heads on? I guess they are afraid of Punjabis. Her blood will be revenged, and hopefully before her body is laid to rest. Inshallah. ]
Sorry that you feel this way. The forces of evil are the ruling elite of Pakistan, and that includes all ethnic groups. Does it not?
#37 Posted by masadi on December 27, 2007 8:41:41 am
In addition to #28 let me state that Fatima Bhutto and her family might be thinking "what goes around comes around".
America is setting the stage for the dismemberment of Pakistan, and direct US occupation of certain areas.
America is setting the stage for the dismemberment of Pakistan, and direct US occupation of certain areas.
#38 Posted by FakirIppi on December 27, 2007 8:44:36 am
Re: # 29 oaay tu mirzai hai yaaa yahudi....u better keep ur dirty mouth shut ...third class man with third rate thoughts
#39 Posted by FakirIppi on December 27, 2007 8:44:50 am
Re: # 29 oaay tu mirzai hai yaaa yahudi....u better keep ur dirty mouth shut ...third class man with third rate thoughts
#41 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 8:48:30 am
..ppp has, hands down, the largest number of committed followers in pakistan......the only other party who can match them in commitment is jamaat-e-islami, however their number is quite a bit lower than ppp......
this is going to shake musharraf and army to the corps (no pun intended).....they are, now, really scared......the one thing they fear is a massive public uprising.....that is something that is impossible to control........one cannot simple lock up 100,000 people, like one can lock up 10 judges.......
.......if the political parties cannot get their compass aligned, even after this event, then I am afraid they have no one to blame but themselves......they should now put out a singular demand for removal of army regime.....plain and simple.......and if it does not leave, then they should get their people into the streets.......
usa is going to keep backing musharraf.....because that is its only card for them in pakistan in the gwot......the rest of pakistan is totally against it.......even ppp was joining into it because benazir seemed to see it as a way to get into power.....i doubt ppp will be so enthusiastic about it now......
.....not sure how musharraf is going to get out of this one......then again, i thought he was out, when the judiciary rose up against him.....
this is going to shake musharraf and army to the corps (no pun intended).....they are, now, really scared......the one thing they fear is a massive public uprising.....that is something that is impossible to control........one cannot simple lock up 100,000 people, like one can lock up 10 judges.......
.......if the political parties cannot get their compass aligned, even after this event, then I am afraid they have no one to blame but themselves......they should now put out a singular demand for removal of army regime.....plain and simple.......and if it does not leave, then they should get their people into the streets.......
usa is going to keep backing musharraf.....because that is its only card for them in pakistan in the gwot......the rest of pakistan is totally against it.......even ppp was joining into it because benazir seemed to see it as a way to get into power.....i doubt ppp will be so enthusiastic about it now......
.....not sure how musharraf is going to get out of this one......then again, i thought he was out, when the judiciary rose up against him.....
#42 Posted by haideri on December 27, 2007 8:53:03 am
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#43 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 8:56:02 am
this is also going to create a huge crisis of leadership in ppp.......ppp is basically the bhutto name......not much more than that.....benazir was chairperson for life, and no one in their party complained much about it......ppp has only been led by a bhutto family member, since its inception around 40 years ago.....
there is no other bhutto family to lead it now, as far as i can see.....benazir has a surviving sister, but she is outside politics......her mother is too old (has she passed away?).......she had two brothers who were assasinated......and she is in opposition to their families and to her extended family.....
the next leader would have been her eldest son........but he is just starting college.....another possible leader is the daughter of her brother......however, she is, i believe, in opposition to benazir, and is quite young (in her 20s).......
if it is someone from outside bhutto family, then who will it be......the hands down leader, in my book would be aitezaz ahsan....but ppp is a feudal/pir party, so will their leadership allow someone outside this close group to lead it......
more than likely amin fahim will lead it.....or maybe yusuf gilani.....who knows....
maybe asif zardari......
there is no other bhutto family to lead it now, as far as i can see.....benazir has a surviving sister, but she is outside politics......her mother is too old (has she passed away?).......she had two brothers who were assasinated......and she is in opposition to their families and to her extended family.....
the next leader would have been her eldest son........but he is just starting college.....another possible leader is the daughter of her brother......however, she is, i believe, in opposition to benazir, and is quite young (in her 20s).......
if it is someone from outside bhutto family, then who will it be......the hands down leader, in my book would be aitezaz ahsan....but ppp is a feudal/pir party, so will their leadership allow someone outside this close group to lead it......
more than likely amin fahim will lead it.....or maybe yusuf gilani.....who knows....
maybe asif zardari......
#44 Posted by quin on December 27, 2007 8:59:46 am
The enigma is that she knowingly went into the lion's den. Someone has said that she was either stupid or very brave. I believe that she had found a committment in her heart to do something big for the country even if that meant risking her very life. And what a risk it was. In spite of all her flaws, she is a martyr for a cause. In spite of her flaws, she was hope and brightness in otherwise dismal and dark state of Pakistan. What a tragedy.
#45 Posted by tahir on December 27, 2007 9:01:15 am
Re: # 25
Who are you? Or do you only live up to your name and spit out venom against Punjabis?
From colonial times, Pathan and Punjabis (Silkhs including) were preferred over others. Why? Because they produced more bang for the buck.
It is true that the armed forces are dominated by a few races but then totally blaming the majority province is unhealthy. All five rivers, like the five fingers of one's hand, are not equal.
Remember Ayub and other Khans who've even topped Punjabis? And who were these Mirs (Jaffar and Sadiq) who got Tipu Sultan and Siraj-ud-Daulah trapped in British snares?
Traitors are everywhere. Don't forget the treacherous folks of Kufa who lured the apples of the Prophet's eyes.
Brother/sister, now before you axe me, calm down and re-think. Read things not mentioned in school history books.
Who are you? Or do you only live up to your name and spit out venom against Punjabis?
From colonial times, Pathan and Punjabis (Silkhs including) were preferred over others. Why? Because they produced more bang for the buck.
It is true that the armed forces are dominated by a few races but then totally blaming the majority province is unhealthy. All five rivers, like the five fingers of one's hand, are not equal.
Remember Ayub and other Khans who've even topped Punjabis? And who were these Mirs (Jaffar and Sadiq) who got Tipu Sultan and Siraj-ud-Daulah trapped in British snares?
Traitors are everywhere. Don't forget the treacherous folks of Kufa who lured the apples of the Prophet's eyes.
Brother/sister, now before you axe me, calm down and re-think. Read things not mentioned in school history books.
#46 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 9:02:09 am
#43 Posted by bulleya,
I met a prominent PPP politician in Lahore a week ago. He said 'Jiye Fatima'.
I met a prominent PPP politician in Lahore a week ago. He said 'Jiye Fatima'.
#47 Posted by Kulharee on December 27, 2007 9:04:14 am
Instead of your daily bakwas of what and who will take the leadership, or who dun it, why don’t you just shut up and reflect on what a tragic loss this is to the country and to the world. A courageous woman killed by a bunch of thugs, a sad day for Pakistan.
#48 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 9:04:40 am
... her political moves had disillusioned many hardcore PPP people who felt she has betrayed ZAB's legacy. Let's see what the other side of the political family (Mumtaz Bhutto, Ghinwa) do. But Zardari will definitely try to ride a wave.
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