Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

Inna Lillah Wa Innah Ileyhey Rajyoon.

The identity of Pakistan is at stake.
Her assasination is shocking, indeed.

It was a single sniper bullet through the neck which killed her. The suicide attack was a diversion.

This is a professional job just like Murtaza Bhutto.

Who killed Murtaza, Zeemax?was it Benazir?

I feel so tired - and I am not even a Pakistani.

I can only imagine what the average guy in those streets must be feeling!

Nobody will ever convince me that the ISI had nothing to do with this outrage.

One can drag the khaki horse to the stream of democracy but he will never willingly drink.

I also hold the USA (Condi Rice, in particular) squarely responsible for this development.

She had no business trying to bring in Bhutto UNLESS she had the guts to support her one hundred percent.

The on-again, off-again, half-hearted support for democracy - limited to lip service - is a disaster. It is the pits, worse than anything a Mullah could ever have accomplished....

Yes, even in Pakistan!

Prime Suspects:

1. Taliban
2. Establishment/ISI

Sleeper cells:

1. Imran Khan
2. Nawaz Sharif
3. Qazi Hussein

#4 Posted by nb,

BB did sign the arrest orders for him, but I doubt she ordered his killing. Her uncle Mumtaz Bhutto who is an ex-Chief Minister though claims she got him killed. Strange thing was that the judicial enquiry into it was quashed.

Letting Benazir fend for herself, with a pathetic little entourage of "security" - in that sea of surging humanity was like letting a memna loose in a jungle of predators....

Right under the "watchful" eyes of the biggest predator of them all...

The one in khaki!

bjkumar,

I think most anger will be directed towards Musharraf for not providing her with sufficient security, if not blamed directly for the assassination.

Zardari has blamed the govt on CNN.

The Federation of Pakistan suffered another blow today.

Benazir Bhutto Sahiba was not only the leader of the PPP

but also a symbol of a strong democratic Pakistan.

Pakistanis worldwide should be in mourning right now.

I could write many things today that I know that I will

regret later, so I will hold back.

She was one of my hopes for our country of origin.

But I am just a stupid old fool.

People like myself who urged her to go back

have to share responsibility for this tragedy.


Goodbye BB, we will miss you.

May God keep you in peace.


Ras H. Siddiqui

Taliban commanders like Behtullah Mahsud etc can plan and execute such an operation.

"Dushman marray te khushi na kariyay
keh sajna vi marr jana"...shah Hussain

My deepest condolence to all for whom BB meant something. May her family have the strength to go through this tragedy. May Allah have mercy on her soul.

Watching the TV here. I do not know why they are hosing the evidence from the scene. They should leave the crime scene as is till there are proper investigations.

#12 Posted by okhla99,

Perhaps they could, but in that case BB would not have been their first priority.

Damn ... Najam Sethi has just said on INBLive that the she was shot at point blank range by a policeman.

The motherf**ckers finally got her. Cowards.

"Ek shamma jul rahee thee so voh bhee khamosh hai"

"neem jaaN shujre andhiyoN ka hujoom
shaakhay nadaan phir bhee khum nu huwee"

what a gutsy woman -- bless her soul!

i do not think Army has the political capital to impose another emergency unless they do away with Musharraf.

There will be a knock-on effect on the estblishment.
Suspicion will fall on Musharaf and his ilk. Remember they opposed a proper investigation to the previous attack against her. that is my feeler.

Zeemax,

Pl condemn suicide bombings & terror as a means of political discource instead of becoming an anchor on this board.

Thanks in anticipation.

#21 Posted by VRV,

I absolutely condemn suicide attacks as a means of political discourse. When did I support it?

Now it will also be be intresting to see if PML-N and the rest all boycott the elections. They may reject these elections all and all . The opposition political parties can now demand that judiciary be restored ex ante the elections.

A big Thanks, Zee.

Now Islam has been saved and preserved until the next such attack. First Bugti, now Bhutto, when would these thugs take some Punjabi heads on? I guess they are afraid of Punjabis. Her blood will be revenged, and hopefully before her body is laid to rest. Inshallah.

Now it will also be be intresting to see if PML-N and the rest all boycott the elections. They may reject these elections all and all . The opposition political parties can now demand with one vioce that the judiciary be restored ex ante the elections.
Lets see what happens...

Musharraf has made such a quicksand which is sucking the country down with him.

Once again in its long tradition in our country (and neighbouring Afghanistan), the Shaitan, pushed certain people to the forefront with guarantees of safety and power, they were stupid enough to buy those guarantees and put their trust in the Shaitan and its power; but as usual at the critical moment, he abandoned them and ran off. Now the ZAB can ask his daughter why she undid the work he gave his life for. It is one thing giving your life for the people, as her father did and quite another giving your life for America's perverse agenda...

Blith,
The anger should be directed at the Islamic parties and the army establishment. They are behind this and I think Pakistani media is making a concerted attempt to keep the whole thing away from the jihadists!

I think it is time to ban all islamic parties from the political scene in Pakistan. They are terrorist supporters and should be dealt with as criminals.

RIP to all those who were killed by this senseless act.

What I fail to understand is, after being a prop for the army twice while it bided it's time to re-take power, why she or Nawaz Sharif thought it would be any different this time around.

The Pakistani body politic needs systemic change. Band-aid solutions like elections will not lead to much as long as the army holds the keys to power. And this is becoming more of the world's problem day by day.

There is so much sadness in her death. For her family, for her party and also for Pakistan. There are so many of us (not just Pakistanis) who have been following the events of the last few years, and who wish and hope for a return to normalcy, and an end to the strife and the bombings and killings. Benazir's return (and indeed even Nawaz Sharif's) held out the promise of such a return.

However imperfect this transitional period towards elections. The fact is that all the key democratic players were there, and an election was to take place. Now, Pakistan has slipped many steps backwards and it will take a lot of work to stay on track.

The future is not lost. What is necessary is to stay on track (towards the election) and stay committed to a return to full democracy. Whatever her flaws (and which politician does not have them?) she was a charismatic and moderate leader. Her death should not be in vain.

I think this is the message that all people in Pakistan should carry in their hearts. Despite her flaws she was courageous and willing to fight for the future of Pakistan. Her death should not be in vain.

Panini

"Taadhee maar assan na uda bahoo, asein aape udh jadna ho",(taalee maar ker humein na udao hum to waise hee ud jaein ge(Sultan Bahoo). Sattar Tahir(marhoom) wrote these lines from Sultan Bhaoo's poetry when Bhutto was hanged by General Zia Ul Haq.
Mager talee maarne waale talee maarte rehte hain when they cant defeat some one politically intellectually they remove them, kill them. So Sad..Bravest Muslim lady of Pakistan.though I donot favour her policies but still she was the first Muslim woman elected and ruled Muslim state twice
Whole family of Bhutto gone... God.....!Allah hum per rehm ker..poor children of Benazir..and poor people of Pakistan tragedy! tragedy! terror! terror! Amidst horror of darkness only one line echoes What now?
Nikhat Riaz

and masadi blames america..lol!!

There is so much sadness in her death. For her family, for her party and also for Pakistan. There are so many of us (not just Pakistanis) who have been following the events of the last few years, and who wish and hope for a return to normalcy, and an end to the strife and the bombings and killings. Benazir's return (and indeed even Nawaz Sharif's) held out the promise of such a return.

However imperfect this transitional period towards elections. The fact is that all the key democratic players were there, and an election was to take place. Now, Pakistan has slipped many steps backwards and it will take a lot of work to stay on track.

The future is not lost. What is necessary is to stay on track (towards the election) and stay committed to a return to full democracy. Whatever her flaws (and which politician does not have them?) she was a charismatic and moderate leader. Her death should not be in vain.

I think this is the message that all people in Pakistan should carry in their hearts. Despite her flaws she was courageous and willing to fight for the future of Pakistan. Her death should not be in vain.

Panini

condolences to benazir's family at her death.......as well as to her followers in the ppp.....

Re: # 25 Posted by Kulharee on December 27, 2007 8:13:47 am

[...when would these thugs take some Punjabi heads on? I guess they are afraid of Punjabis. Her blood will be revenged, and hopefully before her body is laid to rest. Inshallah. ]

Sorry that you feel this way. The forces of evil are the ruling elite of Pakistan, and that includes all ethnic groups. Does it not?

In addition to #28 let me state that Fatima Bhutto and her family might be thinking "what goes around comes around".

America is setting the stage for the dismemberment of Pakistan, and direct US occupation of certain areas.

Re: # 29 oaay tu mirzai hai yaaa yahudi....u better keep ur dirty mouth shut ...third class man with third rate thoughts

Re: # 29 oaay tu mirzai hai yaaa yahudi....u better keep ur dirty mouth shut ...third class man with third rate thoughts

fakir yaar..why are you stuttering?

..ppp has, hands down, the largest number of committed followers in pakistan......the only other party who can match them in commitment is jamaat-e-islami, however their number is quite a bit lower than ppp......

this is going to shake musharraf and army to the corps (no pun intended).....they are, now, really scared......the one thing they fear is a massive public uprising.....that is something that is impossible to control........one cannot simple lock up 100,000 people, like one can lock up 10 judges.......

.......if the political parties cannot get their compass aligned, even after this event, then I am afraid they have no one to blame but themselves......they should now put out a singular demand for removal of army regime.....plain and simple.......and if it does not leave, then they should get their people into the streets.......

usa is going to keep backing musharraf.....because that is its only card for them in pakistan in the gwot......the rest of pakistan is totally against it.......even ppp was joining into it because benazir seemed to see it as a way to get into power.....i doubt ppp will be so enthusiastic about it now......

.....not sure how musharraf is going to get out of this one......then again, i thought he was out, when the judiciary rose up against him.....

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this is also going to create a huge crisis of leadership in ppp.......ppp is basically the bhutto name......not much more than that.....benazir was chairperson for life, and no one in their party complained much about it......ppp has only been led by a bhutto family member, since its inception around 40 years ago.....

there is no other bhutto family to lead it now, as far as i can see.....benazir has a surviving sister, but she is outside politics......her mother is too old (has she passed away?).......she had two brothers who were assasinated......and she is in opposition to their families and to her extended family.....

the next leader would have been her eldest son........but he is just starting college.....another possible leader is the daughter of her brother......however, she is, i believe, in opposition to benazir, and is quite young (in her 20s).......

if it is someone from outside bhutto family, then who will it be......the hands down leader, in my book would be aitezaz ahsan....but ppp is a feudal/pir party, so will their leadership allow someone outside this close group to lead it......

more than likely amin fahim will lead it.....or maybe yusuf gilani.....who knows....

maybe asif zardari......

The enigma is that she knowingly went into the lion's den. Someone has said that she was either stupid or very brave. I believe that she had found a committment in her heart to do something big for the country even if that meant risking her very life. And what a risk it was. In spite of all her flaws, she is a martyr for a cause. In spite of her flaws, she was hope and brightness in otherwise dismal and dark state of Pakistan. What a tragedy.

Re: # 25
Who are you? Or do you only live up to your name and spit out venom against Punjabis?

From colonial times, Pathan and Punjabis (Silkhs including) were preferred over others. Why? Because they produced more bang for the buck.

It is true that the armed forces are dominated by a few races but then totally blaming the majority province is unhealthy. All five rivers, like the five fingers of one's hand, are not equal.

Remember Ayub and other Khans who've even topped Punjabis? And who were these Mirs (Jaffar and Sadiq) who got Tipu Sultan and Siraj-ud-Daulah trapped in British snares?

Traitors are everywhere. Don't forget the treacherous folks of Kufa who lured the apples of the Prophet's eyes.

Brother/sister, now before you axe me, calm down and re-think. Read things not mentioned in school history books.

#43 Posted by bulleya,

I met a prominent PPP politician in Lahore a week ago. He said 'Jiye Fatima'.

Instead of your daily bakwas of what and who will take the leadership, or who dun it, why don’t you just shut up and reflect on what a tragic loss this is to the country and to the world. A courageous woman killed by a bunch of thugs, a sad day for Pakistan.

... her political moves had disillusioned many hardcore PPP people who felt she has betrayed ZAB's legacy. Let's see what the other side of the political family (Mumtaz Bhutto, Ghinwa) do. But Zardari will definitely try to ride a wave.

nikhat

Beautiful references. Sultan Bahoo (may blessings of god shine eternally on him) once told the great emperor aurangzeb about dara - taali na bajaao woh aise hi mar jayega. May the great sufi and his wisdom continue to light up your path and bring much succor to all his moderate and peaceful people.

Rest in peace, benazir.

It is time for mister musharraf to clear his desk and go home -- he has caused enough damage to a fragile country Pakistan.

A lawless power-hungry extremist who attacks and kills the highest institution of the Rule of Law of his own country -- jails judges, lawyers and HR advocates in thousands – for his personal job security -- expects a law abiding non extremist country? -- Musharraf IS responsible for Benazir killing -- as he was for Bugti's.

3 days of mourning my foot – a power-crazy crocodile with crocodile tears!

Re: # 41 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 8:48:30 am

[.....they are, now, really scared......the one thing they fear is a massive public uprising.....]

What public? MQM will never come on the streets because they have everything riding on the current state of affairs. PML-N is effectively neutered by the current regime.

[......one cannot simple lock up 100,000 people, like one can lock up 10 judges.......]

Will punjabis revolt and burn their own cities to get rid of the punjabi army? Never a moment think that people have power in a Pakistan which is full of wahabi thinkers.

[usa is going to keep backing musharraf.....because that is its only card for them in pakistan in the gwot......]

You are soooo wrong about Pakistan. The US has already plans with General Kiyani. The rambler in Musharraf is gone with the wind. Just accept this post as an advice from this sage.

Re: # 37
The maps of a new Pakistan are available free of cost on the internet now.

The map was re-drawn in 1971 too due the obstinacy and vileness of some that CHOWKies are mourning here! How leader-worshippers forget!

It takes two hands to clap.

Re: # 29

HP sahib,

Banning these murderous outfits will be a slap on their blood drenched wrists. What is required is a equal and opposite reaction.

This is not the time for tears or introspection, now is the time for action, so strong that the entire infrastructure of Jihadi outfits understand the meaning of violence and justice. If we dither, then they win.

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Re: # 53 HP yahudi hai bhai ya mirzai hai , agar musharraf aaaj marta to awam luddi dance karta, khattak dance karta, benazir shaheed hoi to pooori qaum sog kar raha hai

Re: # 55 tum shia hai , ham wahabi hai , salafi hai , tafkiri hai

Re: # 48

Zeemax,

If there is a thing uglier than the heinous crime seen today it is the malicious attempt to marginalize this murder by sidetracking the issue. Trying to promote alternative leadership when their leader has been assassinated shows your hidden biases, you fool no one. Now get lost.

Re: # 57 Posted by FakirIppi on December 27, 2007 9:24:50 am

[Re: # 55 tum shia hai , ham wahabi hai , salafi hai , tafkiri hai ]

bus yeh buta kay kiya tum insaan hai?

Wonder what happened to Rahman Malik's expert security arrangements? It appears she was inside the bomb proof SUV and stood out from the sun-roof to wave at crowds. She would have been saved if she hadn't been allowed to do that.

its sad benazir dying, and especialy for her children. but let us not white wash her and make her appear a martyr, no chairperson for life deserves that. lets keep things in perspective her death is sad but that doesnt mean she was the great white hope. she got her two chances but did nothing

PML (N) has announced boycott. Let's see if PPP does too. It will be a great tragedy if they still go with musharraf.

what goes around, comes around...

her latest awakening notwithstanding, Bhutto had helped create this jihad monster that got her, when she was in power in pakiland... she was an active participant in jihad in kashmir... Now the same monster finally killed her, the same dastardly way they have killed thousand lives in kashmir and elsewhere... It's poetic justice...

And for you pakis - this is just the beginning... there is more to come... you all have participated in creating this monster, this culture of ultra-violence and big0try.... and you are going to pay dearly for it...

what goes around, comes around...

zeemax and urstruly,

congratulations again on the success of your guillotines in liaqat bagh ....

...... as for the rest of us, we have to make sure that the islamist vermin are terminated with extreme prjudice unless we want to line up at the guillotines ....... there can be no negotiation or compromise with the followers of this bloody ideology .....

JUI has announced their boycott of the election also, but has anyone yet condemned these Jihadi murderers? No. Has NS condemned the Jihadi murderers? No.

The whole sindh inculding Karachi is on fire. I have spoken to my Family and friends in different parts of sindh. Even small towns in sindh are in turmoil. I remember when Z bhutto was Assassinated by the army. Things were not this bad in Sindh but this time around it is worst than what it was then.

Re: # 64 its not propwer to make false allegations

lahore is seeing violence too, firing and cars being burnt..not like sindh though..it's terrible there...God help us.

Re: # 66 jhoot bolna koi teray say seekhay,poora pakistan is on fire ,

Re: # 66 jhoot bolna koi teray say seekhay,poora pakistan is on fire ,

Re: # 63

luleeman...Indianz have already paid for it (refering to your Gandeez)...it is Pakistani turn now...you can celebrate now...go on

haideri

Re: # 66 jhoot bolna koi teray say seekhay,poora pakistan is on fire ,

Re: # 64 hamidm
[..islamist vermin are terminated with extreme prjudice...]

Ha ha... kis kis ko maroge, this islamic poison is seeped into a lot of people, across your body politic - average abdul in the street, elite commandos and generals, elite students from top universities, people living in gilded cages in defence colonies... everybody is infected, to some extent or the other...

it's like that movie Alien - the islamic monster has planted its the eggs in many hearts - you never know where the jihadi child will pop out next...

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Re: # 71

What pakis are going to pay is many times over and with interest... this is just the beginning...

#75 Posted by mohar11 on December 27, 2007 10:10:52 am

S&P just downgraded pureland from BB+ to BB-

BB minus...hehe..get it?

Re: # 75

You are Drag Queen of wishful thinking...Dream on brother Beavis...Dream on.

haideri

muslims u have today seen the true face of hindu indians they revel in your pain irrespective of wether they have inflicted it as in gujrat, partition or kashmir or otherwise as in the earthquake about this bombing no one knows it may be the indians behind it

...i don't think the ppp supporters will, directly, blame musharraf for this.......but i think they will indirectly blame him and his govt.....

musharraf, obviously, had nothing to gain from something like this.....the general feeling seems to be that him and benazir were in a deal, under the stewardship of usa to form the next govt....this is despite the fact that ppp is, historically, one of the most anti-army parties....

......however, the ppp supporters will probably feel that musharraf did not provide enough security to benazir, and that it is his policies which have created a scenario that resulted in the country and events reaching this stage (both true statements in my opinion).......

pml(n) has boycotted the coming elections...if ppp boycotts also, then what happens......

the most likely source of killing would have to be the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan......they are targetting anyone who speaks in favor of the supporting usa.......

pakistan needs to stay clear of the afghanistan war......if two elephants are fighting, it is the grass that gets crushed......25 years ago, two elephants - usa and ussr - fought and afghanistan got crushed (and to a great degree pakistan.......now two elephants - usa and anti-usa islamic forces - are fighting.......the grass in iraq is already crushed, as is the grass in afghanistan.......pakistan will suffer the same fate, and this time it won't recover......

.......pakistan needs to rapidly disalign from usa and from any int'l islamic agenda.....the later seems to have happened; the former needs to happen also.....let the elephants fight in their own grass......

time for musharraf and army to leave.......let the ppp recover......form a national govt.......hold elections.....install the previous judiciary.......

benazir will go down as a hero.....she had a lot of assets and a lot of liabilities......personally, i have always been pro-ppp, but very anti-benazir as a politician.....but one thing one certainly cannot doubt about her......she is one of the bravest woman I have ever seen.....may her soul rest in peace.......

Re: # 77 haideri

wishful thinking??... dude, the "wish" is actually happening, as we speak... Have fun...

Paging Pavocavalry,

What next?

Re: # 79

captain cluless,

the likely source of killing is not "the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan" - these forces are within pakistan, in your neighborhood mosque and madrassa and their sympathizers in isi and on chowk ........

First of all:

INNA LILLAHE WA INNA ILEHE RAAJEYOON.

As we argue with ourselves, as we continue this struggle against ourselves, we are now committing mass suicide.
There is nothing wrong with doubting yourself. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with yourself. There is everything wrong with murdering yourself.

I disagreed with many of her viewpoints, but I never wished her dead. She is, after all, one of us. She is our educated mother, our well-versed sister, our fellow Pakistani, a better symbol of Islam than all the beards and hijabs screaming their unpleasant faces off at cameras.

I am upset with Mushy, not because I suspect his complicity. I am upset at Mushy for his usual incompetence in not providing her the security that she merited - considering what happened in Karachi when she returned to Pakistan. Is this the conqueror of Kargil, the hero of the Lal Masjid Operation, the defender-in-chief of Pakistan? How can we trust this inept man for the most sacred and important job in Pakistan?

BB is finally gone. Mushy, please have the decency to resign and go away, just go - if you love Pakistan. Thank you.

Re:#80

luleeman...worry about your Indian Christian brothers and sisters in Orrisa who are living under curfew, as we speak...don't sweat over your enemies' misery across the border.

haideri

the person who said it was a sniper clearly doesn't know what he's talking about..

Sardar Qamar Hayyat, a leader from Bhutto's party, said he was standing about 10 yard away from her vehicle at the time of the attack.

"She was inside the vehicle and was coming out from the gate after addressing the rally when some of the youths started chanting slogans in her favor. Then I saw a smiling Bhutto emerging from the vehicle's roof and responding to their slogans," he said.

"Then I saw a thin, young man jumping toward her vehicle from the back and opening fire. Moments later, I saw her speeding vehicle going away," he added.

A doctor on the team that treated her said she had a bullet in the back of the neck that damaged her spinal cord before exiting from the side of her head. Another bullet pierced the back of her shoulder and came out through her chest.

She was given open heart massage, but the main cause of death was damage to her spinal cord, he said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

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Arjun,

pleeaaz....

Yes, it's a great tragedy and a very shameful incident. In particular the wanton carnage of the dozens of innocent bystandars.

The talk about "civil war" and "mass movement" among some media commentators simply reflects a pattern of fancyful thinking on the part of the legions of TV watchers who make up Pakistan's Chattering Classes.

I found out about it almost four hours after the incident although I was crusinf around Islamabad after having played with the kids in the Japanese Park on this beautiful sunny afternoon.

Later we were shopping in the bustling Jinnah market, browsing books at Saeed book store, and had coffee on the side walk in Kohsar market. Our friend who had arrived from UK just this morning was also with us and we didn't get even a sniff that something this big had happened two hours ago only 12 miles away.

We returned home before dinner and were getting ready to go to a house-warming party when a friend telephoned with the news. She'd been dead two hours by then and the electronic media had been blaring news and analysis, but strangely, we'd not heard a whisper of it nor seen any signs of "abnormality" on the streets.

Yes, there will be a grand funeral that's the mother-of-all funerals, and yes, there will be emotional catharsis. A few incidents of burnt cars and a couple of ransacked public buildings will take place, but this too will pass. Ultimately, this is going to be a BIG media event and Pakistanis will have their much celebrated tragic public spectacle a la Princess Dianna.

Then after the dust settles down the unemployed politicians and the establishment are going back to their tug of war, and musical chairs will continue to go on in Islamabad with a slightly altered cast of stars.

So who's next? Could be anyone. But my money is on Sherpao. He seems to be the most popular target amongst the militants. He was the interior minister during the time when the government began its ill advised campaign of stirring up the hornets' nest in the tribal areas adjoining Afghanistan.

Those damned hornets will continue to be a pain in the ass for quite some time to come. The sooner we leave them alone and get rid of them, even if we have to drag the Durand Line to coincide with The Indus, the better.


...SR

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re. Hamdim2:
"the likely source of killing is not "the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan" - these forces are within pakistan, in your neighborhood mosque and madrassa and their sympathizers in isi and on chowk ........

Assuming you're right, why is it that the leaders of the MQM, which is equally, if not more, opposed to religious extremism not targeted in such attacks? Could it be that their (at least ostensible) non-alignment with the U.S. is what "protects" them?

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Re: # 91

"Beer and Popcorn"...Brainiac

burning police stations and buses?? How about burning a few madrassas? I dont know when the media and the politicians will have the balls to point finger in the right direction. This is high time to channel all this energy towards the source of this problem, these mullah factories have to go if we want any normalcy in our lives.

#93 adamkhan: couldnt agree more. the mullah factories should be burnt, not trains and buses. musharraf and his scoundrels should be chased out of the country, not innocent passers by.

SR, re. 88

Trust you, my good man, to remind us of "In particular the wanton carnage of the dozens of innocent bystanders."

And while I agree that talk of civil war is rather fatuous, methinks you underestimate the extent of the fires that will burn -- indeed ARE already burning! Make no mistake-- the aftermath will be of tumultuous proportion.

It's another matter than tumult ain't what it used to be in terms of sustaining change.

I am sad to see such behavour at this site.

People can't you just SHUT THE F@@@@ UP. A real person is dead along with 25 others. She was a mother of 3 kids. Has anyone any decency left to stop bickering and bashing at each other and take a moment to stop and think about the three kids.

Everyone just SHUT THE F@@@@ UP. if you can't say anything good from your mouths then keep them shut.

Her father now herself. A family tradition of scrificing their own life for the benefits of others.

Let's pay our respects to a woman, a daughter who made her father proud, a mother who will make her kids proud. She was truly a great person.

I am by the way no way affiliated with PPP, infact many times I have found myself at odds with her policies but I am not here to talk politics. We are here to mourn the death of a mother of 3 kids, who was barbariously killed by savages.

May Allah's peace be upon her & her family. Amin.

re #93 Posted by adamkhan

"burning police stations and buses?? How about burning a few madrassas?

While it's not all, or even most, madrassahs that can be held responsible for these dastardly acts, yes, I agree it would be a step in the right direction to target them, if anything, when expressing outrage. At least it would send the right signal to the supporters of these fukkers.

It was a well planned fail-safe operation to ensure the job was done. The sharpshooter hit with professional accuracy and she dropped dead.

Those accompanying her chose to rush to RGH rather than the contonment hospital that was closer. Midway, they stopped and Sherry and Nahid shifted her to a private car in the opposite lane. She arrived dead at the hospital with three bullet wounds. One to the forehead that was perhaps fatal and two to the neck, one perhaps severing her juggler. The explosion took place after the firing. One man claimes that he tried to snatch the weapon from the assasin. Then came the explosion.
I fully agree with zeemax.

Re: # 96 lodhi

Very admirable sentiments... Real people also died by the jihad she sponsored in cahoots with ISI against hindians...

Remember the headlines: 7 members of marriage party killed by freedom fighters....

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[...How about burning a few madrassas?...]

Burning madrassas and mosques?.... tauba, tauba... no way - bedouin prophet would be angry

re rf786:

"but has anyone yet condemned these Jihadi murderers? No. Has NS condemned the Jihadi murderers? No."

I thought it might have just been a case of there being no need to state the obvious, but then I noticed that NS, even as he sheds his tears for BB, wastes no sour words for Mush. BB's death, to him, is further proof that "Pakistan and Musharraf cannot co-exist". What gives?!? It's as if Mushy's men aren't locked in battle with the very forces that (in all probability) have snuffed out the Mohtarma.

bulleye: "musharraf, obviously, had nothing to gain from something like this....."

if musharraf knew what was good for him, he would have left voluntarily a long time ago. the only question now is: how much more Pakistani blood will be spilt for the benefit of one man's ego? Take away military rule in Pakistan, replace it withe the rule of law, and you get rid of mullah terrorism as well.

bulleye: "musharraf, obviously, had nothing to gain from something like this....."

if musharraf knew what was good for him, he would have left voluntarily a long time ago. the only question now is: how much more Pakistani blood will be spilt for the benefit of one man's ego? Take away military rule in Pakistan, replace it withe the rule of law, and you get rid of mullah terrorism as well.

slodhi (Post 96).

Good for you. Sad to see so much anger and hatred on Chowk when so many have died and are dying.

Panini

Re: # 81 i think it will go against the mush govt , if its done by the government its a plan to delay elections indefinitely , but that way this set up will still not last,as far as i know gunnery and weapons such precision shooting is rather mysterious,

Reports say a young boy suddenly jumped up and started firing with a pistol, and then blew up. The pistol was shown in video footage on the scene. It was a cheap TT.

How much chance does a teenager have with a hand gun from street level, without taking aim, to hit someone standing out of an SUV sunroof, in the head and neck three times out of a total of 5 shots fired?

Babar Awan who was in the same vehicle has said it was a sharp-shooter. However, unless someone claims responsibility, the truth will never come out.

#14 Posted by blithe

Watching the TV here. I do not know why they are hosing the evidence from the scene. They should leave the crime scene as is till there are proper investigations.

You must understand, blithe, that that's the way we do things here in Pakistan lately. Like on Oct. 18, we keep the site nice and clean for the forensic experts to come and do their job without having to worry about a mess.

#106 is to pavocavalry. The blast was the diversion.

Re: # 106 sharp shooter may have been about a 1000 metres away,while the boy might have been a scape goat , liaquat bagh has many high buildings over looking it in the 1000 metres vicinity,post mortem was not done,however a bullet from a sniper rifle could be found in the vehicle or near although all evidence may have been destroyed.

#102 Posted by tahmed32

Take away military rule in Pakistan, replace it withe the rule of law, and you get rid of mullah terrorism as well.

hmm.... okay.. How so?

#88..Those damned hornets will continue to be a pain in the ass for quite some time to come. The sooner we leave them alone and get rid of them, even if we have to drag the Durand Line to coincide with The Indus, the better.

SR


Moron. All Pukhtoons are not mullahs and all mullahs are not Pukhtoons. Assholes like Jhangvi and Tariq azam were not from this side of Indus, neither was the burqa veilding leadership of lal masjid. Plus the venue for the annual mullah woodstock i.e. muridke is not in the NWFP.

Its amazing how this mullahism is slapped on the face of the Pukhtoon at each of these incidents. And you mummy daddy liberals suddenly become coffee drinking goras, blaming everything on the people across the indus.

Gora Sahib, wake up and smell the doodhpati, you live in a bubble in Islamabad, come out into the real Pakistan(14 miles away, its called Pindi) and you will know that the problem lies on both sides of the indus.

P.S

And next time you go to Saeed Book Bank, remember that its a chain of stores that originated from Peshawar.

#109 It is quite incredulous why a postmortem was not performed. Didn't they want to determine the cause of death? Was it a bomb splinter or a ball bearing, or a bullet? And of what kind? These things are done routinely for all medico-legal cases let alone one of this magnitude.

Amazing.

Re: # 106

zeemax,

.... stop it! .... stop trying to spin all kinds of silly conspiracy stories when you know damn well it was one of your guillotines that killed her ...... your people did a good job and you should congratulate them instead of blowing up a smokescreen ....... benazir was the most visible symbol of what you guys hate the most ......

#113 Posted by hamidm2,

hamidm2, I am not spinning anything. I had posted right here when Mulla Faqir of Bajaur had issued his threat on her after her statements in USA. But if he or the Wazirs did it, they will claim responsibility. They very well may have done it.

All I'm saying is that whoever did it, used a sharp-shooter. Do you get it now?

The sharp shooter theory is BS. How would the sharpshooter knew she was going to stand up and come out of the sunroof. Was the sharpshooter a mind reader too?

#114 ... if you mean my post re the absence of postmortem, I just find that negligence very odd. Don't you think so? I would appreciate knowing why if you could think of a reason.

#115 Posted by HP,

HP, if you've seen her footages at recent rallies, she ALWAYS did that. In fact I remember wondering what the hell was she doing.

Zeemax:

The absence of the postmortem is indeed incredible! But of course to suggest that it might be part of a conspiracy would be to engage in conspiracy theorizing... and we all know jsut how cuckoo that would be, right?

it was prolly an incident of friendly-fire?

it was prolly an incident of friendly-fire?

The assassin clearly had the opportunity due to his connections to get closer to her and I am sure as the investigation progresses, we will find out he was waiting for the opportunity for sometime.

This clearly is a work of a religious fanatic and more likely one of the Jihadi network and Islamic Party Jamaat Islami.

...before zeemax and his chilgoza gallery chime in, let me tell you what they are going to say - it was a raw/cia/mossad conspiracy ..... why? i am sure they will come up with half a dozen sceanrios ...... they will also try to create a diversion by blaming it on the mqm, pervez elahi, isi, nathu dhobi and his poor half-blind grandmother ........ anyone, but the islamists .........

#117 Posted by zeemax

Non Sense how did the sharpshooter know the precise moment? A sharpshooter needs at least couple of minutes for a clear shot. Here with moving vehicle and all those around only a person close to the car could have done and did!

Sounds like I am going to be on ABC talking about this murder. know who I am going to pin it on?

bulleya #79

" the most likely source of killing would have to be the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan......they are targetting anyone who speaks in favor of the supporting usa.......

pakistan needs to stay clear of the afghanistan war......if two elephants are fighting, it is the grass that gets crushed......25 years ago, two elephants - usa and ussr - fought and afghanistan got crushed (and to a great degree pakistan.......now two elephants - usa and anti-usa islamic forces - are fighting.......the grass in iraq is already crushed, as is the grass in afghanistan.......pakistan will suffer the same fate, and this time it won't recover...... "

If Pakistan cuts off support for Taliban there is no Taliban. It is a creation of Pakistani intelligence. Weapons do not grow in thin air.

" .......pakistan needs to rapidly disalign from usa and from any int'l islamic agenda.....the later seems to have happened; the former needs to happen also.....let the elephants fight in their own grass...... "

What intl Islamic agenda is Pakistan following ? Other than spouting some useless rhetoric Pakistan has done squat for other Muslim countries.

" time for musharraf and army to leave.......let the ppp recover......form a national govt.......hold elections.....install the previous judiciary......."

The real question is not elections but allowing non-military institutions to develop. Will the politicians and judiciary be allowed to exercise civillian control over the military ? I can see the military wanting strict control over nukes. But will the politicians be allowed to decide important issues like the size of the military, Kashmir, Afghan/India foreign policy etc. ?

Re: # 118

PM,

.... a post-mortem is not carried out right away and, at least in the us, it requires the consent of immediate family ..... i am sure it will be done at some point - if it was a bullet instead of a pellet i am sure they will be able to determine that ...... 'post' does not mean 'at once' !

p.s. it is in the interest of the security folks to claim that it was a pellet from the bomb .. otherwise people will question why they hadn't cleared all the roof tops and windows along her route - an impossible task given the number of high buildings and tens of thousands of people who live along murree road ........

the person must have been stalking her and waiting for an opportunity... maybe not this rally then maybe another, do you think this guy was stalking her? he had to have been... my gut ins