Chowk December 27, 2007
#113 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2007 12:31:59 pm
Re: # 106
zeemax,
.... stop it! .... stop trying to spin all kinds of silly conspiracy stories when you know damn well it was one of your guillotines that killed her ...... your people did a good job and you should congratulate them instead of blowing up a smokescreen ....... benazir was the most visible symbol of what you guys hate the most ......
zeemax,
.... stop it! .... stop trying to spin all kinds of silly conspiracy stories when you know damn well it was one of your guillotines that killed her ...... your people did a good job and you should congratulate them instead of blowing up a smokescreen ....... benazir was the most visible symbol of what you guys hate the most ......
#114 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 12:37:43 pm
#113 Posted by hamidm2,
hamidm2, I am not spinning anything. I had posted right here when Mulla Faqir of Bajaur had issued his threat on her after her statements in USA. But if he or the Wazirs did it, they will claim responsibility. They very well may have done it.
All I'm saying is that whoever did it, used a sharp-shooter. Do you get it now?
hamidm2, I am not spinning anything. I had posted right here when Mulla Faqir of Bajaur had issued his threat on her after her statements in USA. But if he or the Wazirs did it, they will claim responsibility. They very well may have done it.
All I'm saying is that whoever did it, used a sharp-shooter. Do you get it now?
#115 Posted by HP on December 27, 2007 12:43:19 pm
The sharp shooter theory is BS. How would the sharpshooter knew she was going to stand up and come out of the sunroof. Was the sharpshooter a mind reader too?
#116 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 12:44:05 pm
#114 ... if you mean my post re the absence of postmortem, I just find that negligence very odd. Don't you think so? I would appreciate knowing why if you could think of a reason.
#117 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 12:45:43 pm
#115 Posted by HP,
HP, if you've seen her footages at recent rallies, she ALWAYS did that. In fact I remember wondering what the hell was she doing.
HP, if you've seen her footages at recent rallies, she ALWAYS did that. In fact I remember wondering what the hell was she doing.
#118 Posted by PM on December 27, 2007 12:45:56 pm
Zeemax:
The absence of the postmortem is indeed incredible! But of course to suggest that it might be part of a conspiracy would be to engage in conspiracy theorizing... and we all know jsut how cuckoo that would be, right?
The absence of the postmortem is indeed incredible! But of course to suggest that it might be part of a conspiracy would be to engage in conspiracy theorizing... and we all know jsut how cuckoo that would be, right?
#121 Posted by HP on December 27, 2007 12:47:22 pm
The assassin clearly had the opportunity due to his connections to get closer to her and I am sure as the investigation progresses, we will find out he was waiting for the opportunity for sometime.
This clearly is a work of a religious fanatic and more likely one of the Jihadi network and Islamic Party Jamaat Islami.
This clearly is a work of a religious fanatic and more likely one of the Jihadi network and Islamic Party Jamaat Islami.
#122 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2007 12:48:50 pm
...before zeemax and his chilgoza gallery chime in, let me tell you what they are going to say - it was a raw/cia/mossad conspiracy ..... why? i am sure they will come up with half a dozen sceanrios ...... they will also try to create a diversion by blaming it on the mqm, pervez elahi, isi, nathu dhobi and his poor half-blind grandmother ........ anyone, but the islamists .........
#123 Posted by HP on December 27, 2007 12:50:19 pm
#117 Posted by zeemax
Non Sense how did the sharpshooter know the precise moment? A sharpshooter needs at least couple of minutes for a clear shot. Here with moving vehicle and all those around only a person close to the car could have done and did!
Non Sense how did the sharpshooter know the precise moment? A sharpshooter needs at least couple of minutes for a clear shot. Here with moving vehicle and all those around only a person close to the car could have done and did!
#124 Posted by HP on December 27, 2007 12:54:22 pm
Sounds like I am going to be on ABC talking about this murder. know who I am going to pin it on?
#125 Posted by bbabu on December 27, 2007 12:54:32 pm
bulleya #79
" the most likely source of killing would have to be the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan......they are targetting anyone who speaks in favor of the supporting usa.......
pakistan needs to stay clear of the afghanistan war......if two elephants are fighting, it is the grass that gets crushed......25 years ago, two elephants - usa and ussr - fought and afghanistan got crushed (and to a great degree pakistan.......now two elephants - usa and anti-usa islamic forces - are fighting.......the grass in iraq is already crushed, as is the grass in afghanistan.......pakistan will suffer the same fate, and this time it won't recover...... "
If Pakistan cuts off support for Taliban there is no Taliban. It is a creation of Pakistani intelligence. Weapons do not grow in thin air.
" .......pakistan needs to rapidly disalign from usa and from any int'l islamic agenda.....the later seems to have happened; the former needs to happen also.....let the elephants fight in their own grass...... "
What intl Islamic agenda is Pakistan following ? Other than spouting some useless rhetoric Pakistan has done squat for other Muslim countries.
" time for musharraf and army to leave.......let the ppp recover......form a national govt.......hold elections.....install the previous judiciary......."
The real question is not elections but allowing non-military institutions to develop. Will the politicians and judiciary be allowed to exercise civillian control over the military ? I can see the military wanting strict control over nukes. But will the politicians be allowed to decide important issues like the size of the military, Kashmir, Afghan/India foreign policy etc. ?
" the most likely source of killing would have to be the forces fighting the usa in afghanistan......they are targetting anyone who speaks in favor of the supporting usa.......
pakistan needs to stay clear of the afghanistan war......if two elephants are fighting, it is the grass that gets crushed......25 years ago, two elephants - usa and ussr - fought and afghanistan got crushed (and to a great degree pakistan.......now two elephants - usa and anti-usa islamic forces - are fighting.......the grass in iraq is already crushed, as is the grass in afghanistan.......pakistan will suffer the same fate, and this time it won't recover...... "
If Pakistan cuts off support for Taliban there is no Taliban. It is a creation of Pakistani intelligence. Weapons do not grow in thin air.
" .......pakistan needs to rapidly disalign from usa and from any int'l islamic agenda.....the later seems to have happened; the former needs to happen also.....let the elephants fight in their own grass...... "
What intl Islamic agenda is Pakistan following ? Other than spouting some useless rhetoric Pakistan has done squat for other Muslim countries.
" time for musharraf and army to leave.......let the ppp recover......form a national govt.......hold elections.....install the previous judiciary......."
The real question is not elections but allowing non-military institutions to develop. Will the politicians and judiciary be allowed to exercise civillian control over the military ? I can see the military wanting strict control over nukes. But will the politicians be allowed to decide important issues like the size of the military, Kashmir, Afghan/India foreign policy etc. ?
#126 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2007 12:56:08 pm
Re: # 118
PM,
.... a post-mortem is not carried out right away and, at least in the us, it requires the consent of immediate family ..... i am sure it will be done at some point - if it was a bullet instead of a pellet i am sure they will be able to determine that ...... 'post' does not mean 'at once' !
p.s. it is in the interest of the security folks to claim that it was a pellet from the bomb .. otherwise people will question why they hadn't cleared all the roof tops and windows along her route - an impossible task given the number of high buildings and tens of thousands of people who live along murree road ........
PM,
.... a post-mortem is not carried out right away and, at least in the us, it requires the consent of immediate family ..... i am sure it will be done at some point - if it was a bullet instead of a pellet i am sure they will be able to determine that ...... 'post' does not mean 'at once' !
p.s. it is in the interest of the security folks to claim that it was a pellet from the bomb .. otherwise people will question why they hadn't cleared all the roof tops and windows along her route - an impossible task given the number of high buildings and tens of thousands of people who live along murree road ........
#127 Posted by Ally on December 27, 2007 12:57:52 pm
the person must have been stalking her and waiting for an opportunity... maybe not this rally then maybe another, do you think this guy was stalking her? he had to have been... my gut instinct tells me its the fundos with ISI backing!!!
#128 Posted by zeemax on December 27, 2007 1:01:22 pm
#118 Posted by PM,
PM, welcome back. Do you have a faster connection now?
I remember clearly one fine evening many years ago when I was passing along the main clifton road and took a U-Turn just ahead of the British Consulate to turn into the jogging Park in the lane alongside, and I noticed some men up in the trees at the roadside and a Police Mobile parked nearby. I thought that strange but didn't pay much attention and continued with my jog.
Murtaza Bhutto was killed by a single bullet in the neck, while inside his vehicle, along with his six crack gunmen riding in the open back, about an hour later on that spot.
PM, welcome back. Do you have a faster connection now?
I remember clearly one fine evening many years ago when I was passing along the main clifton road and took a U-Turn just ahead of the British Consulate to turn into the jogging Park in the lane alongside, and I noticed some men up in the trees at the roadside and a Police Mobile parked nearby. I thought that strange but didn't pay much attention and continued with my jog.
Murtaza Bhutto was killed by a single bullet in the neck, while inside his vehicle, along with his six crack gunmen riding in the open back, about an hour later on that spot.
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