Goodbye Pinky

Hamidullah #47 - "so you are suggesting that cnn, cbs, nbc, msnbc and cnbc did it to improve their ratings ?"

perhaps. But thats not my major point. My major point is that if Bush can take you for a ride on WMDs in Iraq, WMDs in Iran, and BB's killing, he probably took you for a ride on 9/11 too.

There is a saying in West Texas that goes "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" Its 6 years too late, but its never too late to admit that you were fooled thrice (!), by the same man. And that this war on terrorism is the biggest fraud since Pamela Anderson peddled her silicon dripping breasts as the "real thing".

This WoT was concocte to push neo-con agenda, just like every incident since then (like BB's killing) has been twisted to somehow fit the same agenda.

So when are you going to sit down to have an honest conversation with yourself? I suggest you do it today. Its weekend and the weather sucks. Besides, what best way to burry a shameful past then to do it at the end of a year - just so you can start a new year with a new YOU!

Re: # 32

Hamidm Sahib:

"........good advice, but which people ? ...... "

Mein javab dene ki koshish karun ga, agar aap mere ko yeh bataa dein ki kis kis ke haath mein kitni badi-badi lathian hain?

Re: # 48

tahmed,

........ i agree with you ...... i was willing to give musharraf a chance to go through with the jan 8 elections with the hope that the new parliament would be able to get rid of him somewhere down the road ....... now, with bb's assassination, i think that as long as he is there it will be very difficult to hold credible election which will have the support of all major parties ..... so the best thing he can do for the country is to go ...... he should do it to avoid further bloodshed and violence .......... if he doesn't, i am afraid he will be playing right into the hands of the muslims .........

Re: # 49

malik mian,

...... sorry, but i will not be drrawn into this useless discussion ........ political islam is a real and present threat to civilization and we have to deal with it accordingly ..... case closed

Re: # 40 Posted by hamidm2 on December 29, 2007 10:43:31 am

hamidullah, what i have been suggesting is that Saudi Arabia is responsible for this killing. is that clear enough? the other parameters will fit right into its place, once we focus on this one point. can you agree with this premise?

all right bubba ! ...

i am already on record for advocating the invasion of saudi arabia and the liberation of the province of hijaz ... what else do you want me to say !

....... look, the saudis are directly and indirectly responsible for all this chaos and mayhem .... they have directly funded madrassas, terrorists and others ...... and indirectly they have kept the dream of an 'islamic' state alive with their medieval oil-funded 'model state'.......

......... but, i don't think they killed bb ...... if you think they did, it is your perogative ...... i think the sons of the moon god did it ...... but if you can get together a lashkar to invade saudi arabia i will consider joining it !

Re: # 54 Posted by hamidm2 on December 29, 2007 12:27:17 pm

hamidullah, [.. but if you can get together a lashkar to invade saudi arabia i will consider joining it !] hopefully it would be the islamic nations troops to get rid of this menacing regime. but until such time we should get rid of their cronies inside pakistan.

here is what NY Times has written

Al Qaeda in Pakistan now comprises not just foreigners or even tribesmen from border regions, but also Pakistan’s own Punjabis and Urdu speakers and members of banned sectarian and Sunni extremists groups, Najam Sethi, editor of The Daily Times, wrote in a front-page analysis. “Al Qaeda is now as much a Pakistani phenomenon as it is an Arab or foreign element,” he wrote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/world/asia/30pakistan.html?pagewanted=3&am p;am p;_r=1&hp

Re: # 55

Bubba, I'd take what Najm sethi has to say with a grain of salt. Currently white people and their brown chmmchas are working overtime to divert focus from their minion, the dictator, and towards the "real enemy". This is diversion part; but I do agree with Najm that Al-Qaeda philosophy that ghee seedhi unglion say nahin niklay ga has penetrated pakistan at the grass root level.

What I really find pathetic is the way the party of feudal lords or East India company kay najaiz bachchay are looking at a 14 year old as the heir apparent of their great leader. These pathetic excuse for human excrement could not find an adult to lead them and safeguard their interest. The propaganda machinery and media as it is under the gun of fouj and funded by East India company ki najaiz aulaad, is busy cultivating another personality cult around yet another "shaheed" whose great democratic party is clueless as to what to do just in case their graet leader take a ride to netherworld. This old order is about to be decimated. No doubt.

Re: # 55

bubba,

.... why are you trying to disagree with me when i am bending over backwards to agree with you ! ....... that's exactly what i am saying - we should go after the islamists of all shades inside pakistan and outside ....... if you remember, i had even proposed dropping a couple of twenty thousand pound bombs on lal masjid and was against releasing any of those suicider-breeding women ......

.... what, do you want me to do ? ..... beat urstruly upside the head? ... i have even tried to do that, but he refuses to show up ...... if you have a plan let me know - i will send you a check for the cause ..... but don't expect me to break a sweat or a nail - that's what differentiates the secularoon from the muslimoon ....they love death more than we love life ........ jeez !

this not america's war, it is pakistan's war


Those who say that Pakistan “should not fight America’s fight” and that Al Qaeda doesn’t exist because no one knows where its headquarters is located should finally renew their knowledge about the organisation. It is not headquartered in Sudan, as one retired military officer said on TV, but in Pakistan with an army at its beck and call in our Tribal Areas that is a force to reckon with. Before dubbing it an American war our analysts should ponder the chaos that will ensue in an internationally isolated Pakistan with Al Qaeda lodged in its guts. What may have begun as America’s war is now Pakistan’s war.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\29\story_29-12 -2007_pg3_1

Re: # 56 Posted by Urstruly on December 29, 2007 12:57:33 pm

[Bubba, I'd take what Najm sethi has to say with a grain of salt.] Why is that? Is it because he writes as he sees it? or does he promote any agenda, that you dislike? He is an honorable journalist, is he not?

The real enemy inside Pakistan, are those who have sold their soul to the highest bidder whether to acquire worldly material wealth or for the hereinafter wealth. There is no doubt that the bidders have been unscrupulous in their destruction of Pakistan. Of course, sooner or later this bidding will stop, and Pakistan will be free from the shackles of the unscrupulous ones.

At such time who will maintain our economic infrastructures such as waapda and defense housing societies? These self congratulating and indispensble ruling elite know for sure, a thing or two, regarding Pakistan's economic infrastructure on borrowed wealth and live to tell us about it. (Pun intended).

Pakistani ruling elite are the killers of mass capitalism.

this not america's war, it is pakistan's war


this assumes pakis are against the jihadi ideology that al queada espoues....heck, pakis were openly supporting the jihadi strategy before 9/11 and orange jumpsuits of gitmo sent their love into the closet..like kerry, pakis were for suicide bombings before they were against it..before bombs started going off in the land of the pure..while they were going off in srinigar, delhi or bombay, pakis were cool with it..



Poll: Bin Laden tops Musharraf in Pakistan

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf -- a key U.S. ally -- is less popular in his own country than al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to a poll of Pakistanis conducted last month by an anti-terrorism organization.

Additionally, nearly three-fourths of poll respondents said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, according to results from the poll conducted by the independent polling organization Terror Free Tomorrow.

"We have conducted 23 polls all over the Muslim world, and this is the most disturbing one we have conducted," said Ken Ballen, the group's head. "Pakistan is the one Muslim nation that has nuclear weapons, and the people who want to use them against us -- like the Taliban and al Qaeda -- are more popular there than our allies like Musharraf."

The poll was conducted for Terror Free Tomorrow by D3 Systems of Vienna, Virginia., and the Pakistan Institute for Public Opinion. Interviews were conducted August 18-29, face-to-face with 1,044 Pakistanis across 105 urban and rural sampling points in all four provinces across the nation. Households were randomly selected.

According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent.

Meanwhile, al Qaeda has a 43 percent approval rate; the Taliban has a 38 percent approval rate; and local radical extremist groups had an approval rating between 37 percent to 49 percent.

Re: # 51

Tahmed sahib:

"i was willing to give musharraf a chance to go through with the jan 8 elections with the hope that the new parliament would be able to get rid of him somewhere down the road ....... "

With Hamidm Mian, I share the above sentiments.

This Joker Cheema, flashing X-ray image, has been my turning point.

This joker can only flash with Musharraff's consent.

Musharraff, if has such an irrefutable proof, should have the decency to hold back to go public till the matam period is over. Instead of sending a flahser, during this period he could have shared it with FBI, Scotland Yard and obtained independent confirmations, and gone to more believable media, CNN and Al-Jazeera included.


He also knows if it is a fake implant.

Of all people, he must know that it took Washington Post to release the tape, a few days later, the last time he tried to pull stunt.

When someone who has a pure diamond of information, that Joker Cheema claimed, he must protect it till the storm passes over, and then take it out in the most appropriate way.

Musharraff sits on top an organization that can protect this diamond, just as well it can flash the fake.

This time, I hope the demand for international transparency comes and enforced. It has been done in Lebanon, for Hariri.

With $10 billion, Musharraff has bound himself to it, unless this killing has a support of equally powerful force, like Saudi's.

He did get away for a few days, as a flahser earlier, only to be put in place by Washington Post. This time ... only Allah (he better believe in its existence), can save him.

Pakistan is burning, Bush cannot do a thing. He and his advisors, and even Saudis would want to wait and see, if Musharraff puts out this fire.

He cannot sing "I did not start the fire....." , and win. He must be very stupid to play this murder card. And others who have played aced him, if he cannot stop the fire.

They killed two birds with one stone, in this scenario. Musharraff must be a foolish man to play this murder card, and hope he will get away with it.

Either way, he can sing the blues "I did not start the fire...", but certainly not in Islamabad.

Whoever, besides DeGaulle, has said "Nations have interests, people have friend." Musharraff can start to negotiate with his friend to rescue him and bring him to Crawford, Texas. It seems that either he has lost it, or he has no control over. Someone for sure screwed up his game, and game for democracy in Pakistan.

My advice as an idolator to the momeen nation following the cult of hate....... if a hindu Nepal can turn into a secular republic , so can Pakistan.........roll back the Islamic republic of PAkistan into a secular democratic republic.

Somebody pointed out high-level political murders in india and elsewhere... in india - most such events have been investigated and prosecuted in open courts of law... gandhi murder - nathuram godse tried and convicted... indira murder - culprits tried and convicted ... Rajive murder - a bunch of people tried and convicted - warrant still out on the mastermind living in Jafna...

The case was thoroughly investigated and presented in open courts of law - no conspiracy theories, no hanky panky, no machinations...

Now let's look at pakiland... Liaqat dude murdered - no prosecution, nothing... Bhutto's judicial murder - no remedies... Zia murdered - no nothing... now BB murdered - the whole situation is being very actively covered up, confusion all around, basic procedures violated, common sense assulted, it's a mad house out there... even in this day and age of ever-present media and scrutiny - pakis have done everything to burry the truth - right under world's glare...

I mean - come on pakis...