This Pyre Will Burn…!

Re: # 194 in 1971 the pashtuns were with punjabis so west pakistan survived.in 1973-76 again the pashtuns were with the federal government while the baloch were the targets,the same situation persisted in 1983 when sindh was the vanguard of a just struggle .now the pashtuns have been alienated so this is an ominous sign for pakistan

Re: # 193 the dangerous fact is that the brits used a cheap punjabi heavy army to control the sub continent.till 1885 the hindustanis were in majority but after 1885 it was a punjabi majority army with sikhs in lead till WW One.now again the americans may not be happy with pakistan as it is but they will retain this same mercenary punjabi majority army because they are good mercenaries.this is a dangerous trend.the army by collaboration will retain its mercenary usefulness , unless democratic forces are led by a really strong leader

#190 Posted by pavocavalry,

sindh would fare better.american troops will be permanently stationed here.

Sure. So they will become Verkotey Vilayat like the Charsaddawals.

But they'll need a lot of desalination plants ... that's for sure.

But I agree with your conjecture.

#173 Viqarm:

"For some strange reason, Musharraf reminds me of Gorbachev. The latter, also hugely popular in the West, presided over the collapse of the USSR. The 21st century Gorbachev is bent upon presiding over the collapse of what little remains of Pakistan after 1971."

The two couldn't be more different. Gorbachev realized that the creaking facade of communism couldn't hold up the Soviet empire and frantically tried to give it a more open outlook which failed.

Musharaff still thinks that the military hold on power is unquestionable and is making the same classic mistakes of his military dictator predecessors of misreading the mood of the masses to sustain that fallacy. And this is leading to huge fissures as even die-hard Pakistan supporters are pointing out.

Re: # 191 great justice rana bhagwan das should also have been named

Ehem.. to all those ppl who think Pak has zero Hindus left here are a few links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Hindu_Panchayat

http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan

After the Partition of India, Hinduism had a much smaller numerical presence in the newly created state of Pakistan, but has nonetheless played a major role in its culture and politics as well as the history of its regions.

The term Hindu is etymologically derived from the Sindhu (Indus River) of Pakistan. The Sindhu is one of the holy rivers of Hinduism. Thus, in many ways, the land which is today's heavily Muslim Pakistan has played an important part in the origin of Hinduism. In terms of population, Pakistan has the fifth largest population of native Hindus.

Some more successful Pak Hindus

Deepak Perwani - Fashin designer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepak_Perwani

http://www.deepakperw ani.com/#

Danish Kaneria - Cricketer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Kaneria

and Judge Sain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Bhagwandas

And if all you Indians want you can come do Yatra at Nani Mandir in B'stan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/south_asia_hi ndus_in_pakistan/html/1.stm

http://www.travel-culture.com/tours/pakistan_hind u_heritage_tour.shtml

Re: # 188 what is pakistan will be kicked by indians,americans,afghanistan and iran if it is balkanised.sindh would fare better.american troops will be permanently stationed here.

Re: # 178 the largest number of urdu speaking migrated from UP while a much smaller number came from CP , Central Provinces now generally Madhya Pradesh.so the terminology central provinces is not correct.

#185 Posted by pavocavalry,

I believe, and have believed for some time, that the collapse of the federation is imminent ... but not a co-federation.

It would actually be much better than the status-quo ... actually ... as you too have pointed out in some of your posts.

Re: # 183 a milder form of yahya khan planning to launch another 25 march 1971

Re: # 177 ranjit singh was planning to attack and annex sindh but the english east india company threatened him and forced him to sign treaty of amritsar in 1809 guaranteeing that sikhs would not expand into sindh.sindh was doomed when ranjit singh unlike musharraf refused to allow east india company's private army passage through punjab to attack sindh in 1838-39.the company then pressurised sindh's mirs into granting them passage.miani was a minor battle , just 22 or 30 killed but the British historian J.W Fortescue praised the courage of the Sindhi Baloch but said that they lacked discipline.

Re: # 173 i think collapse is imminent and without sindh there will be no pakistan.the sindhis dont need pakistan , they can survive as they have two ports and a large industrial and agriculture base, but pakistan cannot survive without sindh.

Re: # 175 lets hope for the best as they say and prepare for the worst.i think the army is not understanding what it is confronting and what is planned for them.the americans are making silent registration of targets,they will use this mercenary army after they have denuclearised and balkanised pakistan.i have presented a scenario in my article 5 minutes over islamabad.

#180 ijazgul: I heard the speech. The scoundrel was true to form like any mqm ghoonda:

1. trying to turn Pakistani against Pakistani by referring to BB's death as a loss to Sindhis only as if it does not matter to the rest of the Pakistanis, when in fact both BB in her last speech was calling for national unity and all true Pakistanis - even those who opposed her viewpoints - have mourned this as a national loss)

2. using the opportunity to continue his war on the civil society of Pakistan - by ranting about the destruction caused for "political reasons" (when in fact PPP leadership had specifically called for restraint, and most of the destruction was caused in urban sind in mqm areas) and how the might of the state at his disposal will come down harshly on them.

3. Placing blame on those working for him rather than taking responsibility - by saying that police and other officials who stood by during the looting will be punished.

4. Twisting the very real terrorist threat to his own advantage - by "reminding" Pakistanis how he has "always said" that terrorists are a big danger.

The list goes on. Pakistan's misfortune to be saddled with such a cold-blooded, self-aggrandizing, deceiptful man.

HP:

A short synopsis of these interactions are

1. Invite vigorously all those Hindu Sindhis back to their ancestral homes and territories (as Ranjit has identified)

and, simultaneously provide maximum security to

2. Insulate these new comers from the tyranny of the MQM.

Re: # 144 Posted by krashid1961 on January 1, 2008 8:11:22 pm

[Bubba:

The analysis done by Laurent gayer is not far from truth
"The Mohajir support to the religious parties {.sic National parties} was not a manifestation of their fundamentalism for these refugees and their siblings, it was an attempt to join the Pakistan mainstream, as Muslims and not as "refugees". ]

Agreed, and that is what I suggested in Post #118.

As such there will remain a continued hypocrisy.

[On the contrary, the muhajirin were urban dwellers prone to cultural liberalism and a great deal of them were at odds with the religious parties' ideology.]

What have they become these days? Anti-mullah party? Yet the basis of their political endeavor was unscrupulously religious?

Your MQM is nothing but a group of urban thugs and mafiasos. MQM just knows how to kill their opponents not with their political brilliance, but through intimidation. After all they were created by the dictator Zia-ul-Haq.