Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

HP,
When Nehru announced Peaceful Co Existance and Non Alignment, Dulles termed it an immoral concept in face of communist threat. Tell me who was more moral.

The end result of the use of Daisy Cutters or nuclear Weapons or carpet bombing is indiscriminate killing and lots of collateral damage. Delivery sytems are a means to put the end. With that logic, whats the difference between a suicide bomber acting as a delivery system than a modern delivery system. I feel for those trained in violence, its the same.

#213 Posted by pavocavalry

"the americans need something more lethal than the suicide guys but in the interim its not a bad tactic.anyhow we can go on discussing all this for 100 years"

Look it is late for me but this sounds vengeful and there is nothing intellectual behind it. Imo, the talibans are totally incapable of devising any tactics and that is why they are fighting a bad war. There was more US army in Vietnam and they killed more in Vietnam too, still the Vietnamese fought a tactical war and made alliances with the right people and the right countries even though they did not agree with any of those countries. The talibans are master of alienating people and countries.

You really need to study more. I guess reading Marx in the college library did not help or you did not have a good teacher. Was Eric Cyprian alive then?

#210 Posted by pavocavalry
"i am not a taliban supporter but they are good fighters'

A childish statement. How do you define good fighters? do they have sumo wrestlers shoulders and squash ball size heads?
Are they better than Chechnyan? In this day and age when people don't fight with scimitars, a suicide bomber could be a good fighter for you...

Thats why I said in one post you appear totally sane and in the next...you fill in the blanks!

Re: # 212 i am not current about bridge but i think bridge alone is no criterion.

Re: # 211 the americans need something more lethal than the suicide guys but in the interim its not a bad tactic.anyhow we can go on discussing all this for 100 years

#204 Posted by pavocavalry
"Major General Aslam Zuberi was one of the best bridge players."

This is besides the point. I have never heard of him and I known some fine bridge players in Karachi Gymkhana and Sindh club. So you get one guy compared to 100s of civilians in Karachi alone.

#199 Posted by pavocavalry

“i am glad that u are a psychiatrist also”

There is nothing about psychiatry here. It is all about hard political realities. Political immaturity drives people to easy solutions for a long term problem. If you think suicide bombing is going to drive the US and NATO out of Afghanistan then you are totally wrong. The suicide bombing legitimizes their stay in that country as they have created a political thesis based on that and that thesis is helped by the suicide bombing.

I guess for a military mind what I wrote above is not easily discernible.

i am not a taliban supporter but they are good fighters.they did arrest me for a few hours in 1999.i have seen them closely from 1999 till to date in chaghai district in pakistan and in helmand.even the NATO admits that they are good fighters.

Re: # 208 the pashtuns can be hired but they cannot be bought.

Re:pavo#201

Sir, the Americans were working closely with the Pakistanis to support the Taliban in the nineties. In fact American oil and gas companies were perfectly willing to align themselves with the taliban to get oil and gas pipelines built through Afghan territory. So where was the need to invade anyone?

Just look at Iraq. Once the sunni tribes ditched Al Quaeda, the US had no problems in supporting them. Why wont they do the same with the taliban in Afghanistan, if they abandon Al Quaeda?

Re: # 206 the taliban is an indigenous force although they have a large foreign component.its a 75 % pashtun movement but they are not ANP type guys.they believe in an ideology whatever it is .

Re: # 202 more important is camaraderie of the bottle

#198 Posted by HP

Taliban are not legitimate freedom fighters. Their commitment to Afghanistan is not defined. They conquered Afghanistan with Pakistani help and then maintained an iron grip of Afghanistan.

Sain, as usual I'm amazed to read this coming from you. Are you implying, Sir, that the Taliban force is not Afghan but in fact Pakistani, and they're not raised from Afghan refugee camps with Pakistan and US help to fight the soviet occupiers of their country???

Re: # 202 i must add a correction.we respect HP although he is an aql i kul , Major General Aslam Zuberi was one of the best bridge players.Now he has groomed his son , not an army guy in bridge. i think omar is pakistan number 3 or 4 in bridge.

Like a Blossom toady , then scattered,life is so like a delicate flower,how can one expect the fragrance to last forever.the bible says there is a time to live and a time to die

#190 Posted by ijaz_gul
“I had asked HP to identify this catorie but he generalised the army. I feel it is this group of bridge and poker players, counted on frienship rather than prowess.”

Again I would say that you are mistaken. The coteries based on cards table camaraderies don’t last long. There are not institutionalized. The coteries as you see them don’t have permanent interests but the generals in Pakistan have permanent interests and the biggest one is to save the privileges that Army in general has. There is always a new breed of Generals every three years or so but they are together in saving the privileged position that army has whether all of them like bridge or the poker is immaterial.

And btw, Pakistani army generals hardly play any poker and just a few of them can play bridge with some authority.

I am afraid you have not studied the Pak army well and still have some romantic illusions that you are trying to stick to against a proven track record of the Pak army.