Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

Mubarka Ahmad December 31, 2007

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#409 Posted by fuzair on January 7, 2008 6:18:16 pm

I believe that MAJ is on record as having told one of the rulers of the Rajput states (Alwar? pretty sure it wasn't Bikaner) that he could write his own terms of accession if he acceded to Pakistan. I think, the story goes, Mountbatten and Patel 'persuaded' the ruler to accede to India.

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#408 Posted by sattar2 on January 7, 2008 5:21:01 pm

Kaal, for most part I can handle ignorant people alright – even though they are an insufferable lot with little sense of what to say, when.

But don’t be in a hurry to change - I don’t want you to feel pressured in any way. That would be rude on my part :)

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#407 Posted by tahmed32 on January 7, 2008 5:19:43 pm

#406 pavocavalry: Your knowledge of partition politics is truly impressive. Is Mountbatten on record as having made this proposal, and what is the source of this information?

While Mountbatten may have made such a proposal, I dont see though how could you know what Mr. Jinnah was thinking and so this is speculation. Please advise if otherwise.

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#406 Posted by pavocavalry on January 7, 2008 5:11:46 pm

Re: # 388 Mountbatten wanted a formula that Hindu/Sikh majority princely states join India and Muslim majority states join Pakistan.However Mr Jinnah did not agree to it thinking that may be Pakistan could get Hyderabad or Bikaner.Thus the Kashmir problem.

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#405 Posted by tahmed32 on January 7, 2008 5:11:06 pm

masadi: I am a kind man at heart, and have taken pity at the several unanswered posts you have addressed to me. So, I made an honest attempt at reading your post. I really did. I didnt understand it at first. Then I held the laptop upside down and tried again to see that perhaps you write upside down. No luck. I tried standing on my head while holding the laptop upside down, but alas - I never did figure out how to stand on my head (despite numerous attempts). :-(

So - sadly, I must leave you blubbering like one of those inmates at the funny farm and pray for your early recovery.

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#404 Posted by pavocavalry on January 7, 2008 5:08:21 pm

Zafrullah was member of Radcliffe Award Boundary Commission from Pakistan side also.

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#403 Posted by pavocavalry on January 7, 2008 4:59:30 pm

Gurdaspur had a large number of Muslims.Gurdaspur Tehsil was non Muslim majority while Shakargarh and Patahnkot were Muslim majority although not Qadiani majority.In census Qadianis were not regarded as separate religion.Shakargarh was transferred to Pakistan.

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#402 Posted by tahmed32 on January 7, 2008 4:59:08 pm

urstruly: You are entitled to your religious views which includes considering someone a non-muslim on account of his beliefs. You have chosen, for reasons best known to you, to not respond to my questions on why you feel so much more strongly about Ahmedis who have not engaged in any violence or killings in Pakistan, than you do about those who have actually killed thousands of people in Pakistan in the name of religion.

As for Zafrullah Khan, by all means discuss his actions. But shouldnt the buck stop with the top man - Mr. Jinnah himself?

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#401 Posted by Eklavya on January 7, 2008 4:28:06 pm

Thank you sattar bhai. So long as you don't mind my ignorant opinions, we are all friends. :)

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#400 Posted by laddu on January 7, 2008 4:23:25 pm

Re: # 391

Asadi,

"...You cannot manage the control of two areas with one enemy in the middle,.."

When did India become an enemy in 1947......so do you subscribe to this view that Indians (esp Idolators like me) were the 'enemy' even before the partition took place??

It appears you also subscribe to the view that idolators are by default the 'enemies' of muslims.

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#399 Posted by sattar2 on January 7, 2008 4:10:50 pm

Kaal bhai, there’s a lot you don’t follow, but you give your opinion anyway (not that there’s anything wrong with it).

I was only pointing out what Urstruly’s obsession has in common with yours. Sorry, didn’t mean to upset you. I hope you both will continue to outdo each other. May the best man win …

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#398 Posted by fuzair on January 7, 2008 3:38:50 pm

Urstruly:

I think you have a logical inconsistency in your logic:

If the Qadianis are not Muslims, then Gurdaspur should have gone to India.

If the Qadianis are Muslims, then Gurdaspur should have gone to Pakistan.

However, your contention is that Qadianis are not Muslims and Gurdaspur should have gone to Pakistan.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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#397 Posted by sattar2 on January 7, 2008 2:32:45 pm

Pavo (#348):

Your contention that "Zafrullah signed SEATO pact regardless of what he was told” seems to be undermined by HP’s post (#351). Or did I miss something? Please do explain when you get a chance. Luqman (#344) you too … if it is not too much to ask for …

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masadi (#390):

“… If Qadiyanis were not an insignificant minority and were vested in the political process by none other than the Pakistan Army acting under directives from the objects of your worship, yes the US elite, they would have partaken in similar sectarian violence and killings, guaranteed...”

One can say almost anything by simply starting with an “IF”. For example, if a bull had tits, it would be a cow. Yes, indeed. But so what??

So much anger against Ahmadis? (scratching my head)

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#396 Posted by Eklavya on January 7, 2008 2:11:50 pm

sattar bhai, I am not following this thread very closely. Please do go ahead and use my name in whatever manner most helpful to your cause.

Like you, urstruly too is a good fellow. I am sure we can all work together, should you not mind much. Best.

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#395 Posted by sattar2 on January 7, 2008 1:56:09 pm

Urstruly,

What you suggest as your opinion in #384, you go on to cite as a fact in #389 (”The fact of the matter is that that the incompetence of this person has cost 1 million Muslims their lives …”). Ahem, ahem.

Can you distinguish opinion from facts? Your investigation is a little more than a farce!

And your opinion is based upon ”what your uncle told you”!!! Did he witness this alleged dialogue between Quaid and Zafrullah? Or should one believe a third-hand (no pun intended) account?

Once you even suggested that Gurdaspur had 80% Muslim population (grin). Now you are back to a more realistic number of 51%. Did this 51% include Ahamdis?

Your obsession with Ahmadis is matched only by that of Kaal (hee hee hee). Perhaps you should make a side-project out of this issue … and have him investigate. He’ll google, find nothing, but will tell you what you want to hear anyway. Then he’ll insist that … “faith should have no regard for facts”. Hey, it has worked for you all this time!

(Kaal bhai, … am not being presumptuous; simply basing my comment on what you wrote. There's nothing wrong with your view - but it's kinda nice to revisit it every now and then)

And now you are soliciting cyber-strangers for "proof" of your opinion. What a pity ...

More later …

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#394 Posted by haideri on January 7, 2008 1:55:03 pm

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