Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

#389 Posted by Urstruly on January 7, 2008 9:25:45 am


My only problem with Quadiyanis is that that they should stop calling themselves Muslims and their religion as Islam.


Sorry...you live in the US of A and US laws say the ahmedis can call themselves muslim if they want to and there's nothing you can do about it..

suck it up..

#384 Posted by Urstruly on January 7, 2008 7:35:55 am


2. Both Nehru and Mountabten did not want Pakistan to have control over Kashmir


suck to be you...kashmir ain't gonna banega pakiland..

#342 "ZAB manipulated the secession of the Bengalis and set a precedent that Pakistan is divisible"

Once again SC is historically confused. MAJ was not very interested in Bangladesh. Further it was an unviable setup that was from the beginning setup for seperation. You cannot manage the control of two areas with one enemy in the middle, and especially when representation of the two is entirely different and can be manipulated by one to dominate the other. Further ZAB had nothing to do with that, the Pakistan Army had everything to do with it. If you put the blame on ZAB because he did not lie down flat in front of Mujib who had no representation in the West and was not willing to negotiate, then you are a fool. Political representatives have a right to fight for their people whom they represent and this "lying down flat" would have usurped the rights of the people of West Pakistan and aliented them further, causing the Pakistan Army to step in and aborting this great work regarding democracy tha ZAB was doing. As usual you superficial surface knowledge is BS.

Tahmed peon of the West writes "#386

How many Pakistanis have been killed since Pakistan was formed by Qadiyanis? Zero.
How many Pakistanis have been killed by "Sunni" maulvis? "

The guy is just as ignorant as the average hill billy living like a cockroach in the gutter yet singing the praises of America as the "greatest place on earth". If Qadiyanis were not an insignificant minority and were vested in the political process by none other than the Pakistan Army acting under directives from the objects of your worship, yes the US elite, they would have partaken in similar sectarian violence and killings, guaranteed. There is nothing inherently "pious" in the Qadiyani compared to the Sunni or the Shia, as you are trying to insinuate, it is the strength of numbers and vesting in the political process that makes a difference. But you, as ignorant as you are in your worship of all things American, whom the Qadiyanis in their leech like manner have been milking giving all kinds of horse and bull stories about Pakistan, you wouldn't know that. Now you do, so feel free as you always do with my writings, affaix your damn name to it and use it as if it were your own.....you misearble plagirist.

Re: # 387

My only problem with Quadiyanis is that that they should stop calling themselves Muslims and their religion as Islam. Because Islam is the religion that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) revived for us. If we believe that islam then we cannot believe another prophet after him. They should not call themselves Ahamadi either, because Ahmad was one of the name of Holy Prophet (pbuh). So not even in inuendo they must relate themselves to Holy prophet (pbuh). I don't understand why they are so ahamed of calling themselves just Quadiani or Mirzai. But just to offend us and to anatgonize us they unnecessarily create this tension and then whine. They are the most intolerant of all religious sects for they openly insult our ideals and beliefs and when responded to, whine.

Having said that, isn't it a fact that they have turned Zafarullah Khan into some kind of Allah ka tohfa that cannot be questioned. The fact of the matter is that that the incompetence of this person has cost 1 million Muslims their lives and a Kashmir issue that plagues this region to this day. Why can't the actions of this public official be examined??

RadCliffe Award-Why Gurdaspur went to India?
This is what I posted on another board.

"The Radcliff Award Favoured whom? The divide lines that Radcliff reccomended were never followed. MB instead drew an arbitary line that sliced the entire river system of Punjab, depriving Pakistan the control of eastern rivers. Raja of Bikaner was on record saying that he would join the country that controls these rivers. Also Bikaner had the biggest post WW2 Ordinance Dumps. Therefore who gained and who lost is anyone`s guess. This is where the Nehru-MB connect becomes obvious".
http://www.chowk.com/interacts/11501/1/0/560#305982

It was that Justice Munir who was a member of the commission and informed Zafar over what had happened. There are some serious questions.

One is why did Qaid E Azam accept Partition before the award of boundries.

The second is why MB over ruled the recommendations of the commission? Was Britain already looking forward to containment of communism and wanted to create a buffer state. After all, the Berlin Airlift had taken place, so had Bretton Woods and some sort of geo strategic map had beed redrawn.

#386

How many Pakistanis have been killed since Pakistan was formed by Qadiyanis? Zero.
How many Pakistanis have been killed by "Sunni" maulvis? Thousands in sectarian killings!! Thousands more in other politically motivated killings!!

So, what is your problem with Qadiyanis that you are so much against them while ignoring the real enemies of the Pakistani people? Dont tell me it is on religious issues - since religious issues are none of your business (per the Quran).

Or do you just enjoy harrassing a minority community in Pakistan that has already been disgracefully treated by Pakistani governments for political reasons?

Re: # 385

I am not changing my story; I just listed what many other people believe. My "story" is included as #4. And at the end I wrote "My personal theory is that it was a combination of all of the above,"

Urstruly #364: I think you are changing your story (from gurdaspur being an ahmedi conspiracy to gurdaspur being a british conspiracy) after seeing fuzair's post #383 to try and hold on to your attempt at blaming Zafrullah.

Reminds me of Brig. Cheema and his "benazir got killed because she ducked and hit the handle" story...

Re: # 383

Almost every historian finds the Gurdaspur debacle as mind boggling. Despite the availability of Radcliffe proceedings the matter why Zafarullah did not even insist on Gurdaspur, while whole Muslim Punjab was convulsing with anticipation of inclusion of Gurdaspur in Pakistan is still shrouded in mystery. Gurdaspur qualified the mutually agreed criterion of Radcliffe award. It was contageous to Pakistan geographically and it had a 51% Muslim population according to the census of 1940.

The unanswered questions have compelled historians and ordinary people propound theories such as;

1. gross incompetence of Zafarullah.

2. Both Nehru and Mountabten did not want Pakistan to have control over Kashmir and Gurdaspur was the only key. This fact is documented and is beyond doubt. Radcliffe award wass under severe pressure from Mountabatten, which probably prevented it from being an honest broker.

3. Mountabaten and/or Nehru influenced Zafarullah.

4. The inclusion of Kashmir into Pakistan either nullifies or cast serious doubt on some of the Quadiani scriptures that they beleive in; especially those related to the Jesus Christ (pbuh) being burried in India/kashmir had Kashmir been a part of Pakistan.

My personal theory is that it was a combination of all of the above, with special emphasis on the fact that Zafarullah was the humble and obedient servant of the empire.

Ummm, isn't Qadian in Gurdaspur? Why would Zafrullah give it to India? If he was a traitor to Pakistan, as is implied in these posts, why would he give Qadian to India? Unless he was going to settle in India himself, which he didn't.

Message to all chowkies and chowkstaff: This place has been infested with cockroaches

Pavocavlary:

Your post about Zafarullah Khan signing the SEATO treaty on its own was quite revealing. An older family member who was very close to Quaid-e-Azam during the time when Radcliffe Award was being deliberated told me that QA had appointed Zafarullah as an empowered representative on behalf of ML. When Radcliffe awarded Gurdaspur to India, QA was extremely infuriated at Zafarullah and took him to the task. According to him the following dialogue took place between the two.

QA: What happened with the Gurdaspur today.

Zafaullah: Gurdaspur was not on tofday's agenda and issue never came up.

QA: (Gujrati expletive) who the (expletive) was supposed to put Gurdaspur on agenda; you or me (expletive)?

Pavo- almost every history book that I have read, especially The Emergence of Pakistan by Ch Mohammad Ali, and "Partition of India: Legend and Reality” by HM Seervai lays the balme of Gurdaspur debacle on the incompetence of Muslim delegate in the Radcliffe Award, without naming the name. But this converastaion between QA and Zafarullah shows where the blame should be placed squarely. Can you elaborate on this further, possibly with some references.

This is something extremely important to me because in my opinion Gurdaspur is the key that opened the gates of hell that cost 1 million their lives and displacement of over 20 million people.

tahmed,
Ladghast is a beautiful place in Pakistan bordering Iran. Its a desert with lovely orchards of date palm and fresh water. It is also home to some mystifying dead bodies, mummified by the dry air on wooden racks, thousands of years old. It is also called MASHKEL.

furthermore, mr. ladgasht - what i wrote is obviously contrary to what you have been taught all your life in India. Dont be a prisoner of what you have been taught - if there is anything factually or logically wrong in what I have written, by all means point that out and challenge it.

But dont just go around insulting honest folks who work at gas stations (that is simply being casteist).

#374 Contrary to your Indian upbringing, there is nothing to be ashamed of in working at a gas station...unless you are working at the Chowk Gas Station, letting off hot gas like you just did.

Repeat after me: Being an ICS officer does not make you a great man.