Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

SIR ZAFRULLAH KHAN THE EX UNIONIST LATER JUMPING ON MUSLIM LEAGUE BANDWAGON QADIANI AHMADI FOREIGN MINISTER OF PAKISTAN WITHOUT CONSULTING GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN SIGNED THE SEATO AGREEMENT.IT HAS BEEN ASSERTED THAT HE WAS REWARDED FOR THIS TRAEACHERY WITH POST OF JUSTICE OF ICJ.I AM SHOCKED THAT IGNORANT GUYS LIKE MANTO AND HP DONT KNOW THIS.GO CHECK YOUR FACTS YOU INTELLECTUALLY TIMID GUYS.I GUESS THIS IS A QADIANI DOMINATED SITE.I AM NOT FOR OR AGAINST ANY RELIGION.CHECK FRUS ARCHIVES AT DC OR VENKTARAMANIS US PAKISTAN RELATIONS 1947-58 IN WHICH VENKTARAMANI EVEN ASSERTS WITH HELP OF US ARCHIVES TO STATE THAT MR JINNAH WANTED THE US AMBASSADOR TO BUY HIS HOUSE.

Re: # 315 HP , you ignoramus , u are living in utopia , go check your facts again.When Pakistan signed SEATO Zafrullah Khan was Foreign Minister ! What an ill educated and illiterate man you are.ZAFRULLAH SIGNED SEATO IN MANILLA YOU IGNORAMUS HP !

#342 *vain and not vane. :)

#334 Masadi {"In his earlier argument making the same point this dishonest freak Manto was touting the book "Myth of Independence" written long before his letter to his daughter from his death cell in which he is willing to accept the possibility that those who say that MAJ's BS was a mistake might be correct and the events in the immediate future would show, which they have. MAJ was a curse for the Muslims of India moreso than anthing the Hindus could have mustered."}

Masadi Sahib,
...and the person who is single-handedly responsible for proving MAJ thoroughly wrong was ZAB. By being reckless, irresponsible, selfish, ethnocentric, and vane, ZAB manipulated the secession of the Bengalis and set a precedent that Pakistan is divisible. :(

#339 Fuzair {"SalimC: actually meant UP leadership in ML, not UP leadership in totality; in any case, ... disliking Muhajir policies/attitudes in Sind and disliking Urdu-speakers is NOT the same thing but doubt you are capable of understanding the distinction."]

Fuzair,
Would you be kind enough to name the members of this brilliant UP leadership of ML? Obviously, the most honest and energetic UP Muslim leaders were with Congress or the religious parties - both opposed to partition.

As far as my capability of understanding Pakistani politics, I concede to you that I don't. For that matter, not one person has answered my question that I have asked at least three times already:

A Sindhi ex-PM of Pakistan gets murdered in Pini, Punjab by possibly a Punjabi man, probably at the behest of FATA-based Pukhtoon jihadists, while a Mohajir dictator fails to give her adequate protection against her voluntary act of poking the uppaer part of her torso out of the sunroof. As a consequence, the PPP workers, supporters, and goons launch a murderous attack of killing, burning, and looting of mostly Mohajir victims. Does this make sense to you?

Re: # 339 Fuzair:

"Approx 1/3 died in the POW and forced labour camps and 1/3 survived. If that is not proof of the essential reliability of the IA, I don't know what is. The IA also expanded to ~2.5 million men by 1945, all volunteers so India (OK, the Punjab, NWFP, parts of UP and Rajasthan) wasn't exactly seething with discontent."

This statement and what is implied out of it is incorrect. The fact of the matter is that British used an artificial famine as a tool to recruit gun-fodder from Punjab, Rajisthan, Hisaar, NWFP, and couple of other places. This famine is known as the infamous famine of 1939. It was a tried and tested method which was successfully applied during WWI.

Just imagine that a famine in the areas that were called the bread basket of India. The older generation in my family remebers that famine quite well and how peasants and downtrodden had no option but to serve the masters they hated or get their family exterminated through hunger and disease.

During the same time, British also created an artificial famine in Bengal as well, which which turned into biblical proportions - for millions perished - and it is recorded in history as the one of the most horrible in recorded history. While in areas of Punjab food was used to recruit unwilling soldiers, Bengal was just left to die, merely for the purpose of saving and rationing food just in case it was lost to Japs or INA.

So Punjab and Bengal both were seething with hatered by the time war was at its prime around 23 March 1940. That was the one single reason that made up Muslim poulaces mind that the option of a separate homeland is worth its salt.

I had a detailed post all typed up; went to open a new tab on the browser and managed to reload the page; not sure exactly what happened; hit something else by mistake.

Not trying to avoid people's responses/questions, just don't feel like typing it all in again! So here is the v. short version.

SalimC: actually meant UP leadership in ML, not UP leadership in totality; in any case, Ayesha Jalal is also Urdu-speaking so not exactly biased against Urdu-speakers per se; neither am I as my family is also Urdu speaking; disliking Muhajir policies/attitudes in Sind and disliking Urdu-speakers is NOT the same thing but doubt you are capable of understanding the distinction.

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Dost Mittar: The Japanese took about 60,000+ POWs in Burma, Singapore, HK. Of those, about 1/3 max joined the INA, most after weeks and months of severe deprivation, torture and starvation. Approx 1/3 died in the POW and forced labour camps and 1/3 survived. If that is not proof of the essential reliability of the IA, I don't know what is. The IA also expanded to ~2.5 million men by 1945, all volunteers so India (OK, the Punjab, NWFP, parts of UP and Rajasthan) wasn't exactly seething with discontent.

What effected the change post VJ Day was that the British themselves made it clear that they weren't going to keep the Empire. What point is there in staying loyal to the Empire when it has signed its own death warrant and made it clear that it wants to kill itself? Even then, there is NOTHING in IA behaviour against its white officers and loyalist KCIOs and ICOs akin to E. Pakistani troops in 1971 or even SLI recruits in 1984. If the discipline of the IA, overwhelmingly Punjabi, did nto break despite the worst excesses of Partition, it is clear that the intelligence estimates were somewhat sensational at best.

In fact, IA troops had to be restrained from killing INA men out of hand when they captured them and INA court martials in 1943 adn 1944 did not arouse a peep in India. The vast majority of the INA surrendered the first chance they got (with a couple of exceptions) and men like Capt. Durrani, head of the INA military intelligence, were actually acting as double agents for the British by deliberately sabotaging it every chance they got; Durrani got the George Cross for his work and refusing to talk despite being tortured for months by the Japanese and the INA.

As far as the INA trials go, it couldn't have been worse for the British if Nehru had stage managed it. Picking a Muslim, a Sikh and a Hindu, trying them in the Red Fort for treason against a King Emperor who was going to dissolve the Empire? What a farce!

The first trial was supposed to have been of Capt. Burhanuddin for having a soldier flogged to death; not sure why it was postponed. The British should have tried, at first, INA men guilty of the most disgusting war crimes against namak halal POWs: beatings, torture, beheading, starvation, etc. There were plenty of these; they should have also played up the fact that INA traitors were living it up (comparatively speaking) while loyal men were starving to death and being beaten to death.

I don't know enough about the Azad Hind Legion but I suspect most of those that volunteered for it were simply looking for a chance to get back to India and out of a POW camp. The men were initially told that they were going to be sent to India as the advance party of a German invasion adn probably saw this as a free ticket home; presumably most of them would have either just gone home or turned themselves in to the authorities; just like the INA spies did.

Zeemax I will you tell you myself who I am where I live. Like I said before, bring it maderchod (T)

#265 Posted by zeemax on January 6, 2008 6:22:21 am


More soldiers of the Pakistan Army have been killed than the Mujahideen in Lal Masjid.


Great...more of that coming up too..either way, it's dead pakis all around..and that, obviously, is a good thing...

BTW: do you still stand by your kashmir forecast...remember...you only have 3 years..so get moving..

#306 Posted by mohar11 on January 6, 2008 8:29:32 am


YLH stands no chance from the islamic hordes.


what're you saying??!! that quoting jinnah's speech from aug 11th won't help him?

hmm..figures....quoting that speech didn't make ahmadis muslims...pakis still wiped out the "muslim" from dr salam's gravestone...

pavo "(Taliban) even the NATO admits that they are good fighters."

NATO has been admitting since the Afghan/Soviet war that they are piss poor shots, the only thing good in their fight is to sacrifice their lives very cheaply because their lives are so meaningless

Manto writes "Poor Masadi is a joke. He claims that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto "evolved" later. The quotes I produced were from 21st December 1976 and from his death cell. "

ZAB did not address the National Assembly as Prime minister from his "death cell". In his earlier argument making the same point this dishonest freak Manto was touting the book "Myth of Independence" written long before his letter to his daughter from his death cell in which he is willing to accept the possibility that those who say that MAJ's BS was a mistake might be correct and the events in the immediate future would show, which they have. MAJ was a curse for the Muslims of India moreso than anthing the Hindus could have mustered.

#328 Posted by tahmed32,

Yes but we know who will be slaughtered like a sheep. And this interactor is one of them whose throat will be slit open.

That's all I can say right now. I know where he lives and who he is.

#210 pavocavalry {"i am not a taliban supporter but they are good fighters.they did arrest me for a few hours in 1999"}

Pavo,
...and what precious trinket that we give up to get you back?

#193 pavocavalry {"Sir , i am a great fan of Tigers and Inshallah or without Inshallah they will win one day.I was a great admirer of Sikh struggle against Mughals.I was a freat admirer of Sivajis guerrilla war.I am for all who rock the boat.i am for all who destroy empires.

suicide bombing is a desperate tactic of the weak.but it does drive fear in the stronger party.look how 9/11 destroyed the myth of US invinvibility. "]

Pavorcavalry,
I am tempted to put on a vest, ask to buy you a drink and then take both of us to meet the 72 babes. Will you please let the Mughals go? The Punjus and their gora-ass licking ways put an end to the Mughals and please stop gloating over your ghaddaari. At least the Hindu Mahrattas, UP Pathans, and Muslim and Brahmin Sepoys stood up for independence - unlike the people north of the Sutlej. Thanks

#253 {"Calling the NATO forces "invaders" is neither factual (as you should know, since we all know the events that led up to this "invasion") nor helpful to anyone"}

Even when he may be halfway right, he still comes across as a complete gora bum licker. :)