Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

Where have all these clowns emerged from to defend Mr. Pavocavalry?

Re: # 357 Dost

By 1940, Muslims of India found themselves between two grinding stones that were intentent on crushing them. One grinding stone was the Hindu dominated government of 1938, which gave Muslims the first hand experience of what life would be living under Ram Raj and second grinding stone was the British Raj who was controlling them using food and famine and stoking them into a war as gun fodder which they had to fight for the survival of their families for the masters they hated.

The effects of the Ram Raj were felt most harshly in the provinces where Muslim league or Muslims were in minority and hence an unequivocal support for a separate homeland.

The British Raj's famine or fight policy deeply effected the psychy of the whole Punjab. While the hearts and mind of Punjab were with Hitler, who till this day is respected as a brave and honorable man, but their prayers were for their loved ones who were dying like flies for the masters they hated. There was no family in Punjab who was not effected by a "telegram", the horrible little piece of paper- a piece of paper that to this day strikes fear in the heart of a Punjabi. The Punjabi literatuire, the Punjabi folklore and poetry of that time and the even urdu literature written by Punjabis is reflective of that time of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The late author Ahmad Nadeem Qasimee, whose work is available on the net, wrote extensively on the subject. He became a POW when Sigapore fell to the Japs.

Re: # 335

"..the only thing good in their fight is to sacrifice their lives very cheaply because their lives are so meaningless..."

indeed, poor people are so easy to manipulate and make them give up their meaningless lives for nothing.....

Re: # 368 Bose was a great man so Mr TAHMED you should not talk absolute BS.What you are saying is that mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself.typical paki working on gas stations in usa.bose was an ICS and he resigned to serve india.dont give us this jaundiced and lopsided view of history.

The last part of #367 says it all: I hope to have an audience with the President on phone or in person to apprise him of the situation and the actions he must take immediately.

ha! ha! all this man wants is a chance to lick the dictator's shoes.

Re: # 366 Mr Zee I think HP has already been proved to be a totally Jaahil clown.Just a loud mouth with no substantial ideas.

Re: # 367 Kazmi : I never read such phenomenal crap.

#367 Posted by ImranOKazmi,

Thanks, but no thanks.

We shall fight.

Regards.

last word in second para in #368 should be japs, not brits.

dost mittar: methinks sir that you are playing with words to differentiate bose from quisling. Bose would have to be completely ignorant of current affairs circa 1930's and 1940's, completely ignorant of the japanese record of treating conquered territories as slaves, to have thought for one minute that they would actually have freed India.

The japanese would have merely replaced the retreating imperial power of the brits with a far more draconian and invogorated imperial power of the brits.

The true patriots were men like Sukarno, Ho Chi Minh, and Mao Tse Tung - who put their quarrels with the dutch, french and the american supported kuomintang on hold during World War II, and indeed worked with them - in order to take on the far bigger threat of the Japanese.

Bose was of the same category as the quislings of some countries in europe who sold their own countrymen to the devil. Worse, in fact - while the germans would probably have given the Norwegians an honorary teuton status, there is every reason to believe that the japanese would have treated the sub-continent as a notch below the chinese and koreans. And they treated the chinese and koreans as sub-humans anyway.

If the japanese had succeeded in taking over India (Bose would probably have been dropped by them as having outlived his usefullness even before the conquest of india was complete), you and I would have been have been illiterate coolies in the sub-continent today with Japanese and Germans acting gods there, rather than discussing profound things on the internet.

While I understand your pain, perhaps this will enlighten you on the REAL ROOTS of our troubles.

Love and peace.

Imran

Brig Tariq Jilani
Director, ISPR
Rawalpindi, Pakistan
Fax +9251 9271603

Subject: Telecon / Meeting with General [R] Pervez Musharaf

Dear Brig Jilani

You and the ISPR are well aware of my efforts to save and grow Pakistan vide seminars held for MNAs and politicians in 2006 and publicly available online at www.ahappyworld.info

Background
My efforts to stop smuggling of cell phones in Pakistan have yielded the country USD 1 bn vide CBRs SRO 391 in June 2001 supported by Mr Shaukat Aziz (who happens to be from the same IBA that taught me one thing “DISCIPLINE�), Dr Atta Ur Rehman, General [R] Khalid Basheer and the former Chairmen of CBR, Mr Riaz Malik and Mr Riaz Naqvi. I never asked the Government for even an acknowledgment of my efforts, while it is true that my focus on “governmental� affairs from 1999-2001 did cost me my job as my boss gave a damn to what the Government of Pakistan gained, he didn’t gain much during this time anyway, I survived and am Alhamdolillah, after 7 years back to the level I deserved as Regional Director for a European multinational covering 20 countries in GCC/MENA. All this time I silently continued my efforts to change the country’s policies to enhance foreign investments and law and order.

Past communication with the President (General Musharaf)
Back in June 2001 I wrote a letter to General Musharaf, then CE of Pakistan. To my surprise not only was my communication acknowledged I was invited by a Colonel Kamran Dy MS to CE to visit the “CE� house, now the President house, behind the Secretariat, where we had an in depth discussion. The core idea I proposed was to involve the Army in re establishing law and order in Pakistan besides many other ideas that are on record at the President House. Col Kamran informed me that this idea was discussed by the Core Commanders and in view of foreign pressure (remember this is pre 9/11) we couldn’t do that, moreover the Army’s role is limited to:

1. Give an “injection� to civil institutions
2. Exit once they are “fixed�

I disagreed with Col Kamran on this strategy and openly told him that not only is this incorrect, it will never happen, and when your core commanders DO realize this is wrong CHANGE the strategy. I WISH I was wrong then though time has proved me right.

Current Situation

Law and order
7 years down the road, corruption is rampant in Pakistan-the law and order system is NON EXISTENT, the Judges we have, never gave justice to the poor, the police is an exploited arm of the politicians and administration. Bottom line our PRESIDENT himself does NOT trust this system, hence his demolition of the judiciary, Benazir died due this gap, the PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN ARE FED UP WITH THIS LAWLESS STATE THAT YOU CALL “PAKISTAN� they are dying or moving out of the country, they face inflation beyond logic and have to fight to survive at all levels. YET I SALUTE PAKISTANIS living in Pakistan for their persistence.

Foreign relations/Media
From Tasleema Naseem, Brig Cheema and so many other jokers who played havoc with our image, not to mention the obvious: THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS DEAD AGAINST GENERAL MUSHARAF for their reasons (watch Syriana and JFK to get a better idea strategic and tactical actions in the region and priorities) – the recent press conference Gen Musharaf had, was he not able to grasp the animosity and bitterness in the questions? Who was funding GEO? Or the others, one must be stupid with a capital “S� to say “PPP or Nawaz� – there’s a lot more, and deeper into it as described above. Moreover, the TERRORISM card has been way too overplayed by Gen Musharaf and foreign powers have NO FAITH IN HIS ABILITY TO TACKLE THAT ISSUE. In my view they are partly correct in this regard as I will explain in the “WHAT MUST BE DONE� section later

STATUS QUO: What is going to happen STEP BY STEP
1. IF General Musharaf survives assassination, he is 95% sure, by my book, to be deposed as President in a timeframe of within 180 days from now.
2. Interim government will hold polls in 90 days. Nawaz Sharif will be allowed to contest.
3. Elected “LOOTERS� from any party will take office, PPP or PML (N)
4. Phase “x� of corruption, lawlessness and malpractices will re-start in Pakistan, that was “controlled� to some extent in Musharaf era
5. The country will slide to oblivion
6. NO OTHER ARMY GENERAL WILL HAVE THE GUTS TO ENTER POLITICS ONCE MUSHARAF EXITS BY FORCE OR BY CHOICE.
7. The fate of the people of Pakistan (except “party� workers) will be sealed: SIMPLE, LEAVE PAKISTAN IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE

WHAT MUST BE DONE IMMEDIATELY BY GENERAL MUSHARAF

Put law and order on track
1. Realize and accept that the Army has TWO ROLES:
a. External defense: that you already excel in
b. Internal defense: that is currently with the “police� and “judiciary�
i. As the QURAN says Al RASHI WAL MURTASHI FI NARE JAHANAM i.e. Bribe giver and taker goes to HELL. YOU CANNOT CHANGE OR REFORM THEM (your judges and policemen). PERIOD. You triple their salaries they will STILL be corrupt and abuse powers.
ii. We need a SHORT TERM ALTERNATE SYSTEM during which time we refresh the force and judiciary
iii. This task can ONLY be done by either enforcing APC (Army Penal Code) via serving or RETIRED army personnel
iv. The benefits are obvious, the ARMY is the ONLY institution in the country which follows its CHAIN OF COMMAND DITTO, and there is LEAST corruption in the army compared to the rest (excluding supplies and all, that too at senior levels)
v. Look at the retired sepoys from the Army, they work as private sector SECURITY GUARDS for Rs 3200 per month WITHOUT CORRUPTION, their tummies are intact, they come to duty in ironed uniform ON TIME, they do NOT abuse authority, they FOLLOW their management.
vi. Reality is 80% of EX ARMY PERSONNEL ARE MIS FITS IN PAKISTAN, they don’t belong in this corrupt environment from the disciplined environment they came from. LET THEM ENFORCE LAW AND ORDER IN THE SHORT RUN LATER RECRUIT PEOPLE FROM CIVIL LIFE ON THE SAME PATTERN AS ARMY DOES
vii. Get army judges, QUICKLY modify APC to adjust to LAW NEEDS OF TODAY, REMEMBER our lawyers and judges are following antiquated systems and processes that the BRITISH used to RULE OVER SLAVES (Contract Act of 1872 and Companies Ordinance of 1935 renamed o 1984). Our intellectual think tanks can study models of excellence in Dubai and elsewhere and change laws to deliver SPEEDY JUSTICE
viii. Free the innocent inmates in jail cells, picked up for personal animosity or plainly a woman raped and held for Hudood! Raped further by policemen, poor serfs of landlords and mafia rotting away for no crime, even CHILDREN!
ix. DIVIDE ARMY INTO TWO PARTS, EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL, both report to COAS as of now.
x. General Musharaf: YOU CANNOT SHOW YOUR FACE IN THE OTHER WORLD IF YOU DENY YOUR PEOPLE WHO TRUSTED YOU FOR 9 YEARS NOT EVEN THE BASIC RIGHT OF LAW AND JUSTICE AS OUTLINED ABOVE

Put “Extremism� back on track

I do NOT blame the “WEST� Uncle “Bush� and Uncle “Brown/Blair� for their mistaken policies to handle terrorism, they DON’T UNDERSTAND ISLAM or how this WAR is working internally, YOU DO AT LEAST, why don’t you educate them that:
1. This is an IDEOLOGICAL war waged on the free world by Al Qaeda etc you CANNOT defeat it with cannons, for every 1 person you shoot, 10 more will be born, and INCREASINGLY from the educated class, not just the “Taliban�. CASE IN POINT, London bombing was done by INDIAN DOCTORS that UK cannot reconcile with until now (how come people born and bred and working in UK became “terrorists�?).
2. TO FIGHT THIS WAR, download and read my action plan on www.ahappyworld.info
3. Simply stated:
a. WE MUST IMMEDIATELY STOP THE FIGHT BY FORCE
b. We must get IMAM E KAABA and relevant religious icons to VISIT these areas and go live on air spreading REAL message of Islam of love and peace, General Musharaf doing it is not credible or enough we need role models these people believe in
c. Tell America and Europe straight “WAR ON TERROR IS A WAR ON IDEOLOGY OF MISUNDERSTOOD ISLAM, IT CANNOT BE FOUGHT OR WON BY FORCE AS OF RIGHT NOW� at they same time tell the Western media to START HIGHLIGHTING GOOD THINGS AND PRACTICES IN ISLAM that will soothe the pain on BOTH sides.
4. General Musharaf: You need to get HANDS ON to solve these problems, saying “GOVT IS DOING THIS AND THAT FOR A REASON� WITHOUT GOING INTO DEPTH AND SOLVING IT (like you told foreign journalists when they asked why they cant go to rural areas AFTER you INSTRUCTED them to “GO TO RURAL AREAS TO FIND WHAT PAKISTANIS THINK�, Sir! YOU MUST INVOLVE YOURSELF IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS BEYOND THE OBVIOUS.
�5. Islam’s message is of peace and love, OPEN PAKISTAN’S BORDERS to EVERYONE, just charge a HEFTY VISA FEE
a. USD 1000 to visit Pakistan
b. USD 50000 to become a permanent resident of Pakistan
6. ACCEPT ISRAEL, all the Muslim TALK Pakistanis talk about is CRAP. Give visas to Jews and Christians. THAT IS THE WAY TO FIGHT INTERNAL TERRORISM tell your people loud and clear that Islam propagates the message of love, we are LUCKY to be born Muslims hence our SYMPATHIES with NON MUSLIMS who DON’T KNOW THE REAL MESSAGE and through our CONDUCT, LOVE and GOOD BEHAVIOUR alone can we influence them.

I hope to have an audience with the President on phone or in person to apprise him of the situation and the actions he must take immediately.

Pakistan Zindabad!

Regards


Imran Owais Kazmi
Chief Thinking Officer, Strategy2Action

GSM: +971 50 5849562/ +971 55 8094119
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www.ahappyworld.info

Pavo will grind you into the ground.

Please read above as:

Pavo will grind you into the dust.

... and I really think, HP, Sain, that you should apologize to Pavocavalry for calling him a lowly Major, even that which he had graciously accepted.

Pavo Bhai,

Please understand. Before you arrived, HP was the revered analyst at Chowk.com, with a lot of following. Your arrival deprived HP of that. I understand his bitterness.

I appeal to HP to accept pavocavalry as the 'Master', and pay tribute.

Otherwise, HP, your grand name will be mud. Pavo will grind you into the ground.

Regards.

Re: # 301
Jinnah was truly secularist. He wanted something for moslems. His concern was legitimate. But, then if you believe in democracy, you should not try to break away because, you represent small section of society. Indian society is deeply fragmented. Thanks to different castes and language/cultures. An undevided India would have provided more power to moslems than the non-moslems. Pakistan creation was boon for Indians. It would have been better, if Gandhi would have managed better way ( controlled migration).

Re: # 351 you are an ignorant twit hiding in between hair splitting.talking all BS.Its I who educated you.You know nothing about Pakistan's diplomatic history.