Islam as a political weapon in Pakistan

Re: # 95 bhuttos steering the ahmadi bill was a grave damage to liberalism.he drank but banned liquor in army messes.again a contradiction.declaring friday a holiday.great man but he committed some mistakes.jinnah drank,liaquat drank, i think that was overplayed.but who wanted to remove bhutto.the americans.

Re: # 96 i think GC is a good college.

Diesel,

Yes it is... and there is no one by the name of Muhammad Ali Asadi on the faculty of that college. It must be a good college.

Re: # 99 never heard the name

Re: # 100 r u a contemporary of jalees hazir and ali cheema

anyhow bilal it was nice chatting.good place to interact.we can reach at some conclusions , provisional although by hearing pros and cons.

"... Muhammad Ali Asadi..."

"Re: # 99 never heard the name "

Oh you haven't heard the name of the great scholar of Islam, quran, sociology, economics, history and culture... an educationist to boot whose "education policy" is to be implemented soon enough in Pakistan, which will once and for all put the legacy of MAJ to rest and declare Maulana Imam Allama Bhutto follower of Maududi/Masadi brand of Islam as the new father of the nation.

How so? Masadi is a very celebrated author (by his own admission) and someone whose intellectual ability far exceeds everyone else on chowk? Who cares if Chowk doesn't feel his writings are up to the mark or if he can't seem to argue coherently or was rejected by even the most third rate of Pakistani public colleges after being deported from the States.

Re: # 103 i think venom is not good manto, even if its masadi,lets hear everyone without resentment but have our own views

where is farooq idris now , son of mohammad idris the famour writer,any idea ?

If the great intellectual's greatest argument is a personal attack on me ... then I have no choice but to respond in kind.

Re: # 106 i did not know the background

Re: # 70
"turning political discource to bread and butter issues rather than "Muslims and Hindus cannot get along" is no corruption. Juggling for these things faced by insurmountable odds and being successful on many fronts is certainly no corrutpion. Invoking religious exclusion to get a country, causing the death of millions and animosity that still grips the lives of millions on the other side of the border and BS on this side of it, as is the legacy of MAJ is corruption manifold."

Lovely Asadi Bhai,

Your humanism is the best amongst these 'moderate' Pakistanis goons - these wolf in sheep;s clothing who support the Jihadis in order to let the Americans and their puppets have a go and establish their control over the world's resources!!

#55 Posted by Eklavya,

Hope you feel better soon.

But you didn't have to cut off your thumb and hand it to anyone. No one refused to teach you.

#103 Posted by MantoLives on January 4, 2008 11:55:17 pm


someone whose intellectual ability far exceeds everyone else on chowk?


Don't you mean far exceeds everyone else's ability put together?

Anyway, re this article, a quote from Charlie Wilsons' war comes to mind where the Egyptian says to the American:

"The Russians, I'm quite afraid will learn the hard way. To feel God's vengeance upon those, who oppress His humble servants to submit to an Islam, their skulls will hang from the treetops."

And the American says "We don't care what you do with the skulls. Now what about those SU-7s?".

Only this time around, it will be American skulls, instead of the Soviets.

Management of betrayals, from within or without, is an integral part of Islam.

Re: # 108

Laddu,

Wah ... you Indians never learn do you. Earlier you called Gandhi stupid (and rightly so) for his role in encouraging irrational and bigoted Mullahs in the Khilafat Movement. Now you are doing the exact same thing with this champion of (ir)rationality and (il)logic.

Nothing of what poor Masadi has written makes any sense. First of all ... for all of Masadi's humanism, if we were to take his Bhutto-admiration on face value, then by Masadi's logic one can easily claim that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's actions in 1971 led to six times the number of deaths in Bangladesh than partition. After all it was Bhutto who was the stumbling block on the issue of Mujeeb's six points (very valid six points which called for better economic and political rights of Bengalis and based in the Lahore Resolution). It was Bhutto who supported the military action... it was Bhutto who called it an act of saving Pakistan. And mind you I am a PPP wallah saying this. I ofcourse don't buy it. Blaming Nehru or Jinnah for partition violence... simply because they represented their constituencies... or blaming Bhutto or Mujeeb for the violence wreaked by either side... is simply ignoring the real problem. This kind of history-reading is done by amateurs and freaks.

Ofcourse as long as Masadi abuses Jinnah (who had bent over backwards to keep India United and who is despite all the claims made here the only politician who dedicated 3 decades to the cause of Hindu Muslim Unity called best Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity by your politicians... and who was universally held by every politician from Gandhi, Nehru to Ambedkar as truly incorruptible) ... you will continue to praise his "humanism".

I suggest you read once more what I had quoted ... because people like you are guilty of propping up and perpetuating these criminally irrational bigots like Masadi :

Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.

This is exactly the problem with the Indian mentality. Anyone who agrees with you automatically becomes paragon of virtue. It doesn't matter if the Deobandi form of Islam in the long run is harmful for the Muslims themselves... as long as they allied themselves with Gandhiji it was perfectly alright for Gandhiji to support him. Similarly Masadi can speak nonsense all day and if he happens to agree with you on one point ... quite opportunistically people like you start making him into the next Mahatma.

Maybe humanism has a different meaning where you come from, but I shudder to think of what that meaning is if someone like Masadi can be considered humanistic... considering the utter lack of humanity ... and milk of human kindness that is evident in his daily defaecation on this website.

-YLH