1857-What Really Happened-A Reconstruction

Re: # 50

You said :- "I enjoy the beauty of that question in Riga Veda."

I agree that in essense the spiritual path of every person is unique and FINAL answers to spiritual questions that goes in the name of 'revelations' is plain stupidity.

As OSho said :

"THE UPANISHADS don’t have any answers. They are ready to take you into a different dimension of
existence, to transmute you. It is a change of consciousness. And suddenly all doubts, all questions,
everything disappears and what is left behind is just a beautiful peace.
Hence, every upanishad ends with om shanti, shanti, shanti. That word shanti means absolute
silence. Beyond that silence there is nothing, and there is no need. It brings total contentment,
absolute blissfulness, ultimate ecstasy.
THE UPANISHADS are the only free, absolutely free books as far as religious books are concerned.
All religious books are imprisoned – Hindus have their prisons, Mohammedans have theirs,
Christians have theirs. Nobody has dared to imprison THE UPANISHADS for the simple reason that
those UPANISHADS are of no use as far as the priesthood is concerned, creating organization is
concerned, exploiting people is concerned, giving false beliefs is concerned. Those UPANISHADS
are dangerous; it is better to keep them aside.
The moment a book becomes a holy scripture it becomes poisoned. Then it is nothing but a strategy
to make more and more slaves.
THE UPANISHADS cannot be condemned for doing any ugly thing to humanity. They have given
their fragrance, they have blossomed, they have shared their joy – and with such beauty, such clarity
– and without any loopholes, so that it is impossible to make them religious scriptures. They are
truly religious. They are not scriptures, they are truly spiritual.
In the whole of history there are only a very few books which have remained uncontaminated by the
cunningness of human mind. THE UPANISHADS are those few books."

Re: # 50

Laddu ji:

One more point. I do not know your motivations to do what you do at the Chowk, but you are wrong, if your motivation comes from the fear that Islamofascists can destroy Today's India. Even Islamofascists know this is delusional, they have beginning to believe that they have a better chance of destroying and claiming Pakistan, that is where their battle lines are drawn.

Tomorrow's India must be in a position with all members, yes all members of its society to deal with them across its borders. These would not be geographical borders alone.

Today's India needs to learn and beat China. You have wasted your time reading and forming what you call "Momeen Thought", and continue to waste the time that you can better use to prepare Tomorrow's India.

I like the term though, but do not have the depth to comprehend it.

Re: # 48

Laddu ji:

"...I have a doubt if you understand momeen thought at all!!..."

This is a true statement. I am not interested in spending time on constricting thoughts - thoughts that limit, rituals that limit, system that dehumanize and demean - my revolutionay days have been over very very long time ago.

I enjoy the beauty of that question in Riga Veda. Therefore, I regard myself beyond the limits that religions put.

amin saheb:

Thanks. I am glad that my comment provoked your interacts, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

"The foundation of both the states is on mutual fear; and continuance of this confrontation alone can guarantee survival of both; off course at the expense of the smaller minority ethnic groups in both the states."

This may be true of Pakistan but not of India. Only North Indians care about what happens in Pakistan. Moreover, while India is facing tremendous challenges from Nazalites, most Indians do not seem to be too concerned about this challenge; the middle class especially in all parts of India seems to be in quite a celebratory mood. Whatever else India may or may not have achieved, it has achieved a sense of nationhood which is independent of hostility vis-a-vis Pakistan, which is on the decline anyway.

Re: # 28
"The debate Laddu ji, is not about the finality. At least in mind.

It is about what you express and paint as momeen. "

I need not paint what is momeen. You should read original Quran, Hadiths and other tafsirs from mullahs if you think momeen DOES NOT BELIEVE in the finality of the Prophet and the message!!
I have a doubt if you understand momeen thought at all!!

i am not for any country. we can call it Indian Sub Continent.

OK, a good last suggestion.

Pl start a new name i.e Pakistan Subcontinent. It sounds cool and puts Pakistan in the centre of this subcontinent. I dont mind calling myself as a person from Pakistan subcontinent.

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That's much clearer now.

Njoy ur 'research'.

My Dear Sir , I am not hiding behind anything.I dont believe in any established nomenclatures.

Pl explain ur rationale i/o hiding behind an excuse (subjective), dear.

I am insisting coz there's an established nomenclature. If u still call it subjective then I let it go.

Re: # 41 My Dear , again I say it is subjective.Call it what you may .

Then Bangladeshis call it : Indo-Bangla subcontinent

Sri Lankans : Indo-Sri Lankan Subcontinent

Nepalese : Indo-Nepal Subcontinent

etc.,

Ur hardwordk and scholarship wud be clouded by the silly mistakes u make.

Re: # 33 I have continuously written to prove that Muslims were no more martial than Hindus and Sikhs.Its all situational.One of my conclusions in my book Pakistan Army Since 1965 was that gallantry awards of pore 1947 prove that therre was no significant difference in martial qualities based on religion.Some conclusions in the award of Victoria Cross were :--

1- First World War Victoria Cross recipients:--

Gurkha-Hindu - 2
Indian Hindu - 4
Sikh - 1
Muslim - 2

2- Second World War Victoria Cross recipients:--

Gurkha-Hindu - 10
Indian-Hindu - 9
Sikh - 3
Muslim - 4

Re: # 37 Your objection is entirely valid although all such assertions are subjective.

Further to the argument about most favoured place of all rebel regiments as I proved in my book Sepoy Rebellion of 1857-59 Reinterpreted :--

1-Out of 18 Cavalry and 53.5 Regiments that Rebelled successfully ,6 cavalry and 23 regiments fought at Delhi (including 3 present there initially).Some 6 Cavalry and 20 infantry regiments marched to Delhi.Some came from as far as Cawnpore,Ferozpur,Jullundhur and Mhow.

2-Out of 18 Cavalry and 53.5 Regiments that Rebelled successfully some 6 cavalry and 16.5 Infantry Regiments went to Lucknow including some 7 already stationed there.

3-Out of 18 Cavalry and 53.5 Regiments that Rebelled successfully , 1 Cavalry and 5 infantry fought at Cawnpore under the Martaha political leader Nana Sahib.These included some 3 regiments stationed at Cawnpore already before the rebellion.

#36 Posted by pavocavalry on January 10, 2008 3:22:49 am

Indo-Pak subcontinent?

Why add a parasitic word 'Pak' in Indian subcontinent? Why an Assami, Bhutani, Maldivian, Sri Lankan or a Malabari wud accept this parasitic word Pak, leave abt the academic circles in the world?