Pakistan After The Assassination: Interview with Pervez Hoodbhoy

very nice interview of Hoodbhoy.

krashid writes "Still you have to use the scientific methods"

Who's talking about not using it, certainly not I. The scientific methodology does not say that you use "science" as either an ideology or slogan, as Hoodbhoy does, but you use it for "finding out" and in the traditional model theory from which you extract a hypothesis comes first facts only later, and finally the acceptance or rejection of the null hypothesis. Hoodbhoy circumvents the model by i) his childish understanding of "science" and ii) his hatred for religion and Islam in particular because ignorning the scientific methodology of being the only sound technique of getting to the truth he sees himself on a Copernican crusade in some mythological warfare. My advice to him, get a life and stop making a fool of yourself and of Pakistan on the global media...

The way Mush tried to paint the assasination with lever theory is a give away . Also, his blaming BB for her assasination is also a give away that he was sure happy with it!!

Re: # 141

Actually, Islamists spreading mis-information is straight out of their text books.
Hamid Gul and these ex- ISI are deeply inti AlQaeda and Taliban operations inside Pakistan. I am still surprised why these guys are out in the open and operating with impunity.????
Is Mush chickening out or does he have a pact with them???
I feel that Mush had some deal with these ex-ISI Generals who are actually the middle men for Taliban. Al-Qaeda and the existing Pak Army!!! Mush also benefitted by avenging the humilaition of being forced to announce elections and stepping down as Army chief.
I am dead sure that this is a Hamid Gul inspired operation by Al Qaeda in complicity with Mush.

Re: # 139 Laddu:
Another theory is that she was assasinated by Mossad and Raw under the direction of American CIA, because she broke the aggreement reached between Mush, USA and BB.

Anything is possibele.
Kamath

Re: # 131 Maulana Nasah:
You misquote me when you said," ..Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf gets a bad press; Benazir Bhutto a too kind one. Which of them is the real rogue? "Kamath"

Actually, it was written by a colomnist, Jonathan Power. See Below and read the colomn carefully.Here it is. Check the link.!!
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In defence of Pakistan's military dictator
Jan 06, 2008 04:30 AM Jonathan Power
The Star- Jan06, 2008- http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/291151

Kamath

Re: # 134

"There is now another conspiracy theory being propagated by infamous Hameed Gul and Aslam Beg that Benazir was killed by Americans, because she changed her path after coming to Pakistan."

Both these are Islamists' propaganda masters....they all participate in the Islamists jirgas and also provide the necessary political and media interface......... I am dead sure they were actually involved in these assasinations and must have actively participated in the actual planning...

MAsadi:
If you propound or elaborate your ideas of scientifically testing the claims of Quran.
Still you have to use the scientific methods.

chalta writes "You didn't prove anything before except that your arguments are devoid of ground realities which contradict every iota of the drivel you spout"

Ground realities are what my ideas are based on. You on the other hand in your usual retarded nonsense live in some alternative reality from which your return to earth seems impossible. They are discussing your "ground realities" on the "Andromeda thread", get the hell there and leave us alone....

Hamid gul and Aslam Baig have jumped rather late on the bandwagon. I accused the US elite of orchestrating the assassination a day after BB was killed. Read my ilog here on chowk

krashid writes "Pervez HoodBhoy has been involved in teaching poor people as a part of his mission {without anyone knowing it}. "

Look man, you are getting emotional over someone I consider no better than a miserable "S". As I have written under, he is helping to promote the Pak Army/US agenda in our country, the status quo by his convuluted ideas. The status quo does more to keep our people uneducated than anything any one private person can do to "educate". He is therefore doing more harm than any benefit. Regarding Zia, I detest the guy and his use of Islam. How Hoodbhoy is an outrage against the scientific mindset is that he equates science with "the sense apparatus" only and will not involve or combine fact with theory and reason. Hense he will not consider scientifically testing the claims of the Quran, and present a naively childish picture of science (if you jump out the window you'll fall) and reasoning that will make even a third rate western scientist laugh at his ignorance. Regarding the Quranic ayas, when I present reason to tell you why I consider PH what I consider him, that itself tells us that I am not letting my "hatred" guide by thoughts- I don't even know the fool other than through his media appearances. Regarding the other ayahs, I can guarantee you this falsehood that he is promoting, this will not remain "for the benefit of mankind" but will pass away like scum, the US elite and the Pak Army that his ideas support.....

There is now another conspiracy theory being propagated by infamous Hameed Gul and Aslam Beg that Benazir was killed by Americans, because she changed her path after coming to Pakistan.
But they forget the fact that her caravan was blasted right after she landed in Pakistan also, so that she would get terrified and return.

There is now another conspiracy theory being propagated by infamous Hameed Gul and Aslam Beg that Benazir was killed by Americans, because she changed her path after coming to Pakistan.
But they forget the fact that her caravan was blasted right after she landed in Pakistan also, so that she would get terrified and return.

MAsadi
There is a beatiful Ayah in Quran which says "Enmity of someone should not make you blind so that you stray away from justice" (I will give reference if you ask}.
I donot agree with Pervez HoodBhoy but give him credit where it is due.
Pervez HoodBhoy has been involved in teaching poor people as a part of his mission {without anyone knowing it}. At one time he wanted to spread the consciousness of science among people's mind and created TV programmes for that. Books are one aspect which depicts his thought. Are these books against law, then they should be banned. I don't know if Ziaul Haq invites Muslim scholars and they present paper on use of Jinn as a source of energy, if pointing this out is harmful to the SCIENCE and SCIENTIFIC MINDSET, then I don't agree.
So you want to bring the beautiful message of Quran. Quran is a guide for the pious and not a book of science as narrated by many scholars. If a scientific fact corroborates with Quran, it only helps in strengthening the belief.
Now on contradictory statement. As far as I know Pervez HoodBhoy was invited for research in Trieste Italy and other places on a regular basis. I don't think institutions of such high repute will invite anyone for no reason.
And as far as keeping an opinion on social issues and writing and verbalizing it is no crime as long as it falls within the law.
Only time prooves the success of ideas. As Quran says at another place.
Truth and Falsehood are like an ore when it is smelted lot of foam arises which disappears and pure metal remains. So let different ideas come.

Re: # 122

"Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf gets a bad press; Benazir Bhutto a too kind one. Which of them is the real rogue?"(kamath)

Musharraf -- because Benazir is dead -- Musharraf is alive.

I don't want Musharraf to die -- I want him to stay alive and remain a rougue.

Abay masadi, here is some more advice...when you figure out the culprit for that extra chromosome you are carrying..just ask him why?

You didn't prove anything before except that your arguments are devoid of ground realities which contradict every iota of the drivel you spout. Now go and try to figure out why you work at a govt college and got kcicked out of other mediocre place..including the oookalooka community college in kansas. :)