Pakistan After The Assassination: Interview with Pervez Hoodbhoy

chalta writes "I wiped ur dumb ass all over chowk before"

The only thing you can wipe is the floor because that is the empployment your intelligence allows you. Your lies about US military spending and the dumb mentality that runs to pie charts was recently displayed on chowk. You have lost all credibility. I have been given good advice to ignore your kind and treat you like the rest of the dogs farting in the wind.

give them a chance.everybody by proclaiming jfk and liakat ali khan' s shrouded in mystery events,and stamping and sealing the results of this depression causing morbid assasination as sharing the fate of the former two. might just make us miss something of a clue even now.let modern scientific technology fill in the blanks even now, and do not let them label the 'hosing' scenario as a 3 wash-that is a washout, a hogwash or a eyewash.thank you pervez for benny's biography.besides did the lone taxi driver say ''deri ho gaya''.?

Masadi u moron...he is a phd in sciences....u r a phd in idiocy. One cannot debate with idiocy. One can only ridicule it....that is what I do. You middling fool....your views and logic are replete with idiocy thus explaining ur station in life.

Us kicked you out.....pak will kick you out soon, you idiot!!

I wiped ur dumb ass all over chowk before...- I will do it again. You dumbass islamisocialist monkey!

we all know what a freak show is..we have had 20 articles in last 3 weeks.

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Masadi cannot even hold the books for the esteemed Dr. Here is hoodbouy a national icon and revered contributor to sanity in Pakistan and there is Masadi- a genetic experiment gone wrong from the union of lenin and mohammed.

Krashid writes "Whatever is his capability, he has gone beyond his duty as a teacher to work gor progress of science and scientific way of thinking in Pakistan."

He has not even gone to the extent of his duty. All he does is presnet a skewed 17th centurty picture of hisotry as he attacks Islam as if it were the Catholic Church and against science. That has done more harm to science and the scientific mindset than anything it has done to benefit or advance it.

Then he writes "You tell me what is Islam. Is bombing in mosque, issuing Fatwa at the behest of powerful, using Djinn as a source of energy Islam. First clarify what is Islam. "

The miserable _______, PH, deliberately picks up the cukoo ideas of some idiots who have a lot of time and money on their hands and tries to deride Islam as if that were what Islam is. As Majumadar has pointed out I do not accept that as Islam but when I start to open my mouth to describe the beautiful message of the Quran, a most rational and scientifically reasoned message, the miserable "S" will try to bring in his medieval science to try to shut me up. That is his fundamentalism that I was talking about.

Then he writes "Aren't these two statements contradictory"

No they are not, authority and knowledge through authority is the weakest form of knowledge that can be trusted. in fact it is the antithesis of the scientific method that relies on finding out first hand. And what makes the hoodbhoy case even worse is that he uses this "weakest form" of authority/reputation and misuses it by taking it into domains about which neither physics not he has any clue, the social political context of the problems....

Re: # 112 To Nasah:
Here is a article written by a world famous journalist and a friend of Pakistan. Hope you read it!

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In defence of Pakistan's military dictator
Jan 06, 2008 04:30 AM Jonathan Power
The Star- Jan06, 2008- http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/291151

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf gets a bad press; Benazir Bhutto a too kind one. Which of them is the real rogue?

When Musharraf, as Pakistan's top army commander, tried to engineer war with India over Kashmir in 1999, he demonstrated his roguish side. Yet even many of his opponents in Pakistan will concede that since he deposed Nawaz Sharif and assumed power he has been largely a benevolent dictator.

Compared with the last days of the Shah – and many in the American foreign policy establishment are falsely comparing what happened then with what is happening today in Pakistan – the country remained until Bhutto's assassination rather stable, except in its lawless frontier provinces that border Afghanistan, a problem area even in British colonial days.
Until now, Musharraf has rarely cracked the whip. His riot police act with relative moderation. His jails are not full. Executions are rare and never for political offences. Pakistan today is not Iran of yesterday, neither in the type of leadership nor in its degree of religious fervour: the Islamist parties have never gained more than 11 per cent of the vote in a free election.
Bhutto and her husband seem manifestly corrupt. The one chance of nailing her lay in Switzerland where she had stashed cash in quantities she could never have earned honestly. At the time of her death she was appealing a Swiss conviction for money laundering. Many believe she was implicated in her brother's death. Certainly she quarrelled with both her brothers and her mother, all of whom competed to have the lead billing in the family's political drama. She also was estranged from her husband.

Yet now, according to her will, her husband was her chosen successor. For Bhutto, keeping the family – to wit her 19-year-old son – in the line of power was more important than developing a democratic, openly competitive, party.

In comparison, Musharraf has done no great favours for his family, nor earned excessive wealth. He is a down-to-earth army man, who when younger loved to test his macho side.

It was under Musharraf that Pakistan extended the olive branch to India over Kashmir.

Manmohan Singh, India's prime minister, praised Bhutto as someone who had wanted to break the "sterile patterns of the past" that had brought them to war three times over disputed Kashmir.
But this was a gratuitous backhanded slap at Musharraf. Singh knows as well as anyone that the Kashmir dispute is grounded for lack of Indian resolve to go the last mile. He also knows that the militancy that plagues the region, spreading its infection into Afghanistan and to the frontier provinces of northwestern Pakistan originates in large part among the fighters who first engaged in violence in Kashmir in an attempt to oust the Indian presence.

There is no doubt that the Pakistani military was in large measure responsible for developing this infection when it built up the strength of the mujahidin in Kashmir. It provided training. It helped with logistics and provided military materials over a long period of time.

But, apart from clandestine illegal work by some local Pakistani military and intelligence officials, this support network has been closed down by Musharraf. This doesn't stop the militants from drawing their military requirements elsewhere or stop them organizing a big bombing from time to time in India. Nor does it stop them working with the Taliban and the other militants of northwest Pakistan. In their eyes, India has designs on Afghanistan and is the enemy of all Islamic militant movements.

A peace agreement on the lines proposed by Musharraf – which most Western diplomats will tell you is as handsome an offer as they ever imagined – would shut down Kashmir-grown militancy once and for all. The militants are no longer as popular as they were inside Kashmir and the proposed peace deal would finally pull the carpet from beneath them. Moreover, it would be a singular contribution to the lessening of all Pakistan-based terrorism.

Why doesn't Singh do it? Because of pressures from his own military. Because of the aspiring great power role of the foreign policy establishment that can't bear to treat Pakistan as an equal. Because of the ultra chauvinism of Singh's coalition partners, the Communists. Because the priority with the Communists on policy is to persuade them to agree to the pending nuclear deal with the U.S.

But now that Musharraf is losing political strength all bets are off. Pakistan itself may be consumed by this infection of militancy.

Jonathan Power is the author of Conundrums of Humanity: The Quest for Global Justice.

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Let us explore the Jihadi world of Benazir Bhutto. As the Islamist separatist movement was heating up in Kashmir, she walked into the field to fuel the Jihad in Kashmir. In addressing a huge congregation, she said:

“The people of Kashmir do not fear death, because they are Muslim. The Kashmiris have the blood of the Mujahids [Jihadists] and Ghazis [infidel slayers]. The Kashmiris have the blood of Mujahideens, because Kashmiris are the heir of Prophet Muhammad, Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Umar.”

In inciting even the women of Kashmir to Jihad, she said:

“And the brave women of Kashmir ― they know how to fight and also to live. And when they live, they do so with dignity.”

She added:

“From every village [of Kashmir] only one voice will emerge, “Freedom.” From every school, only one voice will merge, “Freedom.” Every child will shout: Freedom, freedom, freedom.”

After becoming PM for the second time, she told William Dalrymple in 1994 about her support of the Jihadists of Kashmir:

"India tries to gloss over its policy of repression in Kashmir… India does have might, but has been unable to crush the people of Kashmir. We are not prepared to keep silent, and collude with repression."

These rabble-rousing statements speak volume of Benazir Bhutto’s eager support for the Kashmiri separatists, clearly inspired by her Jihadi zeal. The Islamic separatist movement in Kashmir started getting backing from Pakistan since 1990, when well-trained Jihadists started crossing border to join the Kashmiri guerrillas. During her second term (1993-1996), both foreign and local Jihadists started pouring into Kashmir in ever greater number. The result was a large-scale pogrom of native Kashmiri Hindus. No less than 60,000 people have died, many more have been handicapped or mutilated, while nearly half a million Kashmiri Hindus have been evicted from their ancestral homes, who languish in refugee-shelters elsewhere in India.

Benazir Bhutto was, therefore, not a brave warrior against extremism and terrorism as commentators have propagandized over the last few days. Undeniably, she had an unstinted support for the Kashmiri Jihad movement. She had a similar support, on the other side of border, for the Taliban militia, who captured power in Afghanistan during her second term as unimpeded assistance flowed to them from Pakistan. It is impossible to discount the role of ISI and the military in Pakistan’s support for the Kashmir and Afghan Islamist militias during her tenure. But, inspired by her religious zeal, she obviously had whole-hearted support for them.

During Bhutto’s stewardship, the Islamist militia power peaked in both Afghanistan and Kashmir, thanks to the unstinted support from Pakistan. The havoc, wrecked by Islamist terrorists today in Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, is the harvest of what was seeded or nurtured and inspired by her. Her death is basically a fruit of the seed she herself had planted. Unfortunately, thousands of otherwise innocent men, women and children have also been victim of it and many more to follow in coming years and decades. I see more reason to mourn for those thousands of the victims, the innocent Hindus of India in particular, of the Jihad, she nurtured and helped flourish.

So Hindu freak is hate but Jesus freak is not! I guess hindus as usual have different standards. Ganesh puja must account for somethig. Monkey lover! or monkey's lover...hehehe!

Re: # 115
sunroof??
da same yuppi na,tht got ur mahatma.;P
well wt bout Rajeve Ghandi Z hot n spicy roasting?the same sun roof thing??;)
well..C u at Rahul Ghandi's fresh broast.
hurry baby
;)

OK - this paki foo HP's "hindu freak" hate message is not red flagged - but arjun's benazir murder fact is red flagged... :)

Good going pakis...

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#112 Posted by nasah on January 10, 2008 8:05:49 pm

still hiding from the "jag-jag mo-mo han-han" thing...

now it doesn't really matter if benazir was a supporter of the islamic terrorists....the sunroof lever took care of that..

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