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#121 Posted by mohar11 on January 11, 2008 8:46:57 am
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#120 Posted by laddu on January 11, 2008 8:31:06 am
Let us explore the Jihadi world of Benazir Bhutto. As the Islamist separatist movement was heating up in Kashmir, she walked into the field to fuel the Jihad in Kashmir. In addressing a huge congregation, she said:
“The people of Kashmir do not fear death, because they are Muslim. The Kashmiris have the blood of the Mujahids [Jihadists] and Ghazis [infidel slayers]. The Kashmiris have the blood of Mujahideens, because Kashmiris are the heir of Prophet Muhammad, Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Umar.”
In inciting even the women of Kashmir to Jihad, she said:
“And the brave women of Kashmir ― they know how to fight and also to live. And when they live, they do so with dignity.”
She added:
“From every village [of Kashmir] only one voice will emerge, “Freedom.” From every school, only one voice will merge, “Freedom.” Every child will shout: Freedom, freedom, freedom.”
After becoming PM for the second time, she told William Dalrymple in 1994 about her support of the Jihadists of Kashmir:
"India tries to gloss over its policy of repression in Kashmir… India does have might, but has been unable to crush the people of Kashmir. We are not prepared to keep silent, and collude with repression."
These rabble-rousing statements speak volume of Benazir Bhutto’s eager support for the Kashmiri separatists, clearly inspired by her Jihadi zeal. The Islamic separatist movement in Kashmir started getting backing from Pakistan since 1990, when well-trained Jihadists started crossing border to join the Kashmiri guerrillas. During her second term (1993-1996), both foreign and local Jihadists started pouring into Kashmir in ever greater number. The result was a large-scale pogrom of native Kashmiri Hindus. No less than 60,000 people have died, many more have been handicapped or mutilated, while nearly half a million Kashmiri Hindus have been evicted from their ancestral homes, who languish in refugee-shelters elsewhere in India.
Benazir Bhutto was, therefore, not a brave warrior against extremism and terrorism as commentators have propagandized over the last few days. Undeniably, she had an unstinted support for the Kashmiri Jihad movement. She had a similar support, on the other side of border, for the Taliban militia, who captured power in Afghanistan during her second term as unimpeded assistance flowed to them from Pakistan. It is impossible to discount the role of ISI and the military in Pakistan’s support for the Kashmir and Afghan Islamist militias during her tenure. But, inspired by her religious zeal, she obviously had whole-hearted support for them.
During Bhutto’s stewardship, the Islamist militia power peaked in both Afghanistan and Kashmir, thanks to the unstinted support from Pakistan. The havoc, wrecked by Islamist terrorists today in Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, is the harvest of what was seeded or nurtured and inspired by her. Her death is basically a fruit of the seed she herself had planted. Unfortunately, thousands of otherwise innocent men, women and children have also been victim of it and many more to follow in coming years and decades. I see more reason to mourn for those thousands of the victims, the innocent Hindus of India in particular, of the Jihad, she nurtured and helped flourish.
“The people of Kashmir do not fear death, because they are Muslim. The Kashmiris have the blood of the Mujahids [Jihadists] and Ghazis [infidel slayers]. The Kashmiris have the blood of Mujahideens, because Kashmiris are the heir of Prophet Muhammad, Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Umar.”
In inciting even the women of Kashmir to Jihad, she said:
“And the brave women of Kashmir ― they know how to fight and also to live. And when they live, they do so with dignity.”
She added:
“From every village [of Kashmir] only one voice will emerge, “Freedom.” From every school, only one voice will merge, “Freedom.” Every child will shout: Freedom, freedom, freedom.”
After becoming PM for the second time, she told William Dalrymple in 1994 about her support of the Jihadists of Kashmir:
"India tries to gloss over its policy of repression in Kashmir… India does have might, but has been unable to crush the people of Kashmir. We are not prepared to keep silent, and collude with repression."
These rabble-rousing statements speak volume of Benazir Bhutto’s eager support for the Kashmiri separatists, clearly inspired by her Jihadi zeal. The Islamic separatist movement in Kashmir started getting backing from Pakistan since 1990, when well-trained Jihadists started crossing border to join the Kashmiri guerrillas. During her second term (1993-1996), both foreign and local Jihadists started pouring into Kashmir in ever greater number. The result was a large-scale pogrom of native Kashmiri Hindus. No less than 60,000 people have died, many more have been handicapped or mutilated, while nearly half a million Kashmiri Hindus have been evicted from their ancestral homes, who languish in refugee-shelters elsewhere in India.
Benazir Bhutto was, therefore, not a brave warrior against extremism and terrorism as commentators have propagandized over the last few days. Undeniably, she had an unstinted support for the Kashmiri Jihad movement. She had a similar support, on the other side of border, for the Taliban militia, who captured power in Afghanistan during her second term as unimpeded assistance flowed to them from Pakistan. It is impossible to discount the role of ISI and the military in Pakistan’s support for the Kashmir and Afghan Islamist militias during her tenure. But, inspired by her religious zeal, she obviously had whole-hearted support for them.
During Bhutto’s stewardship, the Islamist militia power peaked in both Afghanistan and Kashmir, thanks to the unstinted support from Pakistan. The havoc, wrecked by Islamist terrorists today in Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, is the harvest of what was seeded or nurtured and inspired by her. Her death is basically a fruit of the seed she herself had planted. Unfortunately, thousands of otherwise innocent men, women and children have also been victim of it and many more to follow in coming years and decades. I see more reason to mourn for those thousands of the victims, the innocent Hindus of India in particular, of the Jihad, she nurtured and helped flourish.
#119 Posted by HP on January 11, 2008 7:53:24 am
So Hindu freak is hate but Jesus freak is not! I guess hindus as usual have different standards. Ganesh puja must account for somethig. Monkey lover! or monkey's lover...hehehe!
#118 Posted by sara.asad on January 11, 2008 6:27:26 am
Re: # 115
sunroof??
da same yuppi na,tht got ur mahatma.;P
well wt bout Rajeve Ghandi Z hot n spicy roasting?the same sun roof thing??;)
well..C u at Rahul Ghandi's fresh broast.
hurry baby
;)
sunroof??
da same yuppi na,tht got ur mahatma.;P
well wt bout Rajeve Ghandi Z hot n spicy roasting?the same sun roof thing??;)
well..C u at Rahul Ghandi's fresh broast.
hurry baby
;)
#117 Posted by mohar11 on January 11, 2008 5:36:11 am
OK - this paki foo HP's "hindu freak" hate message is not red flagged - but arjun's benazir murder fact is red flagged... :)
Good going pakis...
Good going pakis...
#116 Posted by mohar11 on January 11, 2008 5:33:24 am
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#115 Posted by arjun_4 on January 11, 2008 4:53:47 am
#112 Posted by nasah on January 10, 2008 8:05:49 pm
still hiding from the "jag-jag mo-mo han-han" thing...
now it doesn't really matter if benazir was a supporter of the islamic terrorists....the sunroof lever took care of that..
still hiding from the "jag-jag mo-mo han-han" thing...
now it doesn't really matter if benazir was a supporter of the islamic terrorists....the sunroof lever took care of that..
#114 Posted by anil on January 11, 2008 12:03:59 am
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#113 Posted by HP on January 10, 2008 9:43:24 pm
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#112 Posted by nasah on January 10, 2008 8:05:49 pm
Re: # 93
"How do you know khalid hassan's muslim ancestors didn't kill the sikh guru and his sons?"(Arjun miaN)
because Khalid Hasan did not write "The Last Guru"....:)
"How do you know khalid hassan's muslim ancestors didn't kill the sikh guru and his sons?"(Arjun miaN)
because Khalid Hasan did not write "The Last Guru"....:)
#111 Posted by krashid1961 on January 10, 2008 8:01:17 pm
HP:
I don't think you need to be upset.
The people who don't know the politics of Pakistan will judge by the newspaper.
There is no question that Benazir during her first and second stint in power accepted Primeministership after lot of compromises.
But we need to give her credit where it is due.
She came to Pakistan knowing all the risks. Her caravan was blasted the day she came. I thought she will will return. She continued with her struggle until she was martyred.
She was courageous lady. No doubt.
I don't think you need to be upset.
The people who don't know the politics of Pakistan will judge by the newspaper.
There is no question that Benazir during her first and second stint in power accepted Primeministership after lot of compromises.
But we need to give her credit where it is due.
She came to Pakistan knowing all the risks. Her caravan was blasted the day she came. I thought she will will return. She continued with her struggle until she was martyred.
She was courageous lady. No doubt.
#110 Posted by krashid1961 on January 10, 2008 7:43:20 pm
Majumdar:109
Still it does not prevent anyone from keeping his opinion within the framework of law.
Still it does not prevent anyone from keeping his opinion within the framework of law.
#109 Posted by majumdar on January 10, 2008 7:35:35 pm
Rashid mian,
(Is bombing in mosque, issuing Fatwa at the behest of powerful, using Djinn as a source of energy Islam. First clarify what is Islam. )
To be fair to Masadi sahib, he does not believe any of the above to be Islam.
Regards
(Is bombing in mosque, issuing Fatwa at the behest of powerful, using Djinn as a source of energy Islam. First clarify what is Islam. )
To be fair to Masadi sahib, he does not believe any of the above to be Islam.
Regards
#108 Posted by krashid1961 on January 10, 2008 7:29:45 pm
Masadi:
Does anyone has a right to keep his opinion.
Pervez HoodBhoy never claimed to be a champion of Islam.
Whatever is his capability, he has gone beyond his duty as a teacher to work gor progress of science and scientific way of thinking in Pakistan.
I have a right to disagree.
You wrote
{Finally, he is guided by his personal hatred of religion and particularly Islam, in Pakistan's context which colors and distorts all his so-called analysis. Like all fundamentalists facts become secondary to his own prejudice and ideology}
You tell me what is Islam. Is bombing in mosque, issuing Fatwa at the behest of powerful, using Djinn as a source of energy Islam. First clarify what is Islam.
You wrote
{The guy is a disgrace to science and the scientific mindset. Like I said he is not only an ignoramus,}
{ he misuses his authority in physics to pass judgment on political and social issues because the classical arrogance of the physical sciences}
Aren't these two statements contradictory. A person is authority in Physics and still a disgrace to science.
Does anyone has a right to keep his opinion.
Pervez HoodBhoy never claimed to be a champion of Islam.
Whatever is his capability, he has gone beyond his duty as a teacher to work gor progress of science and scientific way of thinking in Pakistan.
I have a right to disagree.
You wrote
{Finally, he is guided by his personal hatred of religion and particularly Islam, in Pakistan's context which colors and distorts all his so-called analysis. Like all fundamentalists facts become secondary to his own prejudice and ideology}
You tell me what is Islam. Is bombing in mosque, issuing Fatwa at the behest of powerful, using Djinn as a source of energy Islam. First clarify what is Islam.
You wrote
{The guy is a disgrace to science and the scientific mindset. Like I said he is not only an ignoramus,}
{ he misuses his authority in physics to pass judgment on political and social issues because the classical arrogance of the physical sciences}
Aren't these two statements contradictory. A person is authority in Physics and still a disgrace to science.
#107 Posted by masadi on January 10, 2008 3:17:24 pm
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#106 Posted by anil on January 10, 2008 2:54:08 pm
Re: # 103
HP Mian:
"...HP Mian raham kariye, aakhi apni izzat apne sar par hoti hai..."
Mian ji:
Before you launch into another pico, nano, and micro analysis up analysis of the above, let me help you. Pagadi, haath mein tabhi utaar te hein, jab koi apni izzat kisi aur ke paeron mein rakhne wala hai.
Kuch seekh lijiye, abhi bhi waqt hai. Itna gussa hone ki, aur gaali-galoz ki zaroorat nahin hai.
HP Mian:
"...HP Mian raham kariye, aakhi apni izzat apne sar par hoti hai..."
Mian ji:
Before you launch into another pico, nano, and micro analysis up analysis of the above, let me help you. Pagadi, haath mein tabhi utaar te hein, jab koi apni izzat kisi aur ke paeron mein rakhne wala hai.
Kuch seekh lijiye, abhi bhi waqt hai. Itna gussa hone ki, aur gaali-galoz ki zaroorat nahin hai.
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